Tom 14011 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Yeh Mig-29s. I’m not sure what the Russians are flying but they don’t seem great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Sorry I don't have a subscription. Yeah old tech but at least it is something that can be considered air support if only for 1 mission only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 That convoy are sitting ducks. Get the fucking bombers onto them. Fuck Putin. We have to stop this bully cunt now and face the music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tom said: Yeh Mig-29s. I’m not sure what the Russians are flying but they don’t seem great either. The Russians haven't brought in their fifth generation fighters into play yet. The same with their standing army they have largely been conscripts and from the East. They have held back their strongest assets and I don't know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ken said: The Russians haven't brought in their fifth generation fighters into play yet. The same with their standing army they have largely been conscripts and from the East. They have held back their strongest assets and I don't know why. I’d guess it’s because they are waiting for us to join in. Edited March 1, 2022 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, Ken said: Not sure if this is accurate but I have read that Poland are going to allow Ukraine to use their airfields with the planes they are acquiring. The stakes are going up. Won't happen, that would make Polish airfields a legitimate target for Putin's Luftwaffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Won't happen, that would make Polish airfields a legitimate target for Putin's Luftwaffe I agree and made that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ken said: The Russians haven't brought in their fifth generation fighters into play yet. The same with their standing army they have largely been conscripts and from the East. They have held back their strongest assets and I don't know why. Maybe it'll be because they have actually tried to do this with minimal force to avoid looking bad and/or also because there is a hearts and minds battle to be had here given they're supposed to be wanting regime change and the reunification of Ukraine with Russia. If they go in and flatten everything then it's going to be a hard sell to the Ukrainian people that they're the liberators here, not that I can see any angle for that narrative at this point whatsoever. That's the best I've got anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 How many 5th generation fighters do Russia actually have? I can’t see it being too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I believe they really thought (by they, I mean Putin) that Ukraine would keel over, or be rolled over, as they did in 2014/Crimea. Ukraine changed immeasurably since then and so initial Russian wheels have come off. The Russian military is extremely artillery centric, my concern (and it appears it's starting to happen) is as this goes on he'll start just levelling cities. How long we can stand by if/when that happens is the question. Whatever happens when Russia takes Kyiv etc. (it's sadly inevitable short of Putin being toppled) there's going to years of insurgency/guerilla warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tom said: How many 5th generation fighters do Russia actually have? I can’t see it being too many. Not many. Not that I believe what Wikipedia says but 14 and 10 are prototypes. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 The vast majority of that 40 mile convoy are supposedly re-supply vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ken said: Not many. Not that I believe what Wikipedia says but 14 and 10 are prototypes. Who knows... SU57, aye between 10-14 evidently. Doubt he'd use them, risk of loss and one getting "found" by NATO too great, also the NATO spyplanes watching Ukraine from Polish/Bulgarian airspace would collect loads of intel on them - radar signatures(tiny)/countermeasures etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5220 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Christ that was hard to watch. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Rayvin said: Christ that was hard to watch. this thing is starting to make my feel physically sick. it's hard to see any good outcomes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: this thing is starting to make my feel physically sick. it's hard to see any good outcomes There is no good outcome outside of toppling Putin somehow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Toonpack said: There is no good outcome outside of toppling Putin somehow And that needs to come from within Russia, if done externally and Russian public opinion shifts or hardens, we're all fucked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Toonpack said: There is no good outcome outside of toppling Putin somehow Hopefully from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Toonpack said: There is no good outcome outside of toppling Putin somehow Could only happen from the inside. Oligarchs universally turn on him and it filters down from there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Fucking hell I remember being a young kid and getting a dressing down like that by teacher it seldom happens to adults, let alone statesmen. Depressing that this is what the UK has come to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Toonpack said: And that needs to come from within Russia, if done externally and Russian public opinion shifts or hardens, we're all fucked. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tom said: Fucking hell I remember being a young kid and getting a dressing down like that by teacher it seldom happens to adults, let alone statesmen. Depressing that this is what the UK has come to What can he do without escalating everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 President Zelensky addressing the EU congress now via teleconferencing and the English speaking interpreter is crying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Asprilla said: What can he do without escalating everything? Take some refugees 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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