Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 they're massive homophobes, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) what a load of bollocks. western imperialism has been pilloried on here. the russians deserve the same treatment Yeah cause they invaded/destabalised/re-invaded/proxy fought 70 countries in 50 years. Mate there is no comparison. America has 737 bases on foreign soil. It's military budget is bigger than the whole planet combined. You might as well move to Brighton. (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013). Edited October 13, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yeah cause they invaded/destabalised/re-invaded/proxy fought 70 countries in 50 years. Mate there is no comparison. America has 737 bases on foreign soil. It's military budget is bigger than the whole planet combined. You might as well move to Brighton. (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013). Of course there's comparison, you're just being silly now. Look at the pictures coming out of Aleppo and tell me they're not just as cuntish as the yanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 My job has involved scrubbing through all kinds of graphic images from Syria in the past few weeks - people missing limbs, kids buried in rubble etc. It's a criminal what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) It was the same with Fallujah and the Americans used banned weapons. Israel in Gaza Edited October 13, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I've never said otherwise. But let's not pretend Putin isn't being a massive cunt here. Where are the protests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) My job has involved scrubbing through all kinds of graphic images from Syria in the past few weeks - people missing limbs, kids buried in rubble etc. It's a criminal what they're doing. Of course its a tragedy and I agree the Russians have been needlessly cruel in Aleppo. In war its always the civilians who get the worst of it. But the Russians and Syrians have liberated many other towns where massive cruelty was being inflicted on the civilians by the Jihadi's inc a rape culture, torture and routine beheadings. Edited October 13, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Of course its a tragedy and I agree the Russians have been needlessly cruel in Aleppo. In war its always the civilians who get the worst of it. But the Russians and Syrians have liberated many other towns where massive cruelty was being inflicted on the civilians by the Jihadi's inc a rape culture, torture and routine beheadings. honestly man, if it was the yanks doing this shit right now, there'd be outrage on here. no one would be defending them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Whitehurst 931 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 In fairness, I don't ever recall a member of the cabinet berating the US like Boris Johnson did to Russia the other day. That's probably because we were just as complicit as the US in those conflicts. It's really tough for the UK to take the moral high ground after what we've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 In fairness, I don't ever recall a member of the cabinet berating the US like Boris Johnson did to Russia the other day. That's probably because we were just as complicit as the US in those conflicts. It's really tough for the UK to take the moral high ground after what we've done. i'm no fan of johnson, and it was frankly bizarre of him to make that suggestion, but i think he's labouring to the same point. there really isn't anything he can do about it, but if it was us and the yanks massacring innocent civilians, the stop the war coalition would be out in force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Whitehurst 931 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yes, they would be out in force as it would be our country going to war. I wouldn't expect demonstrations against the UK going to war in Red Square though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 honestly man, if it was the yanks doing this shit right now, there'd be outrage on here. no one would be defending them. I'm to defending it just bringing some balance. NATO/Coalition did far worse in Iraq for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21966 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 honestly man, if it was the yanks doing this shit right now, there'd be outrage on here. no one would be defending them. Which would you be most angry about? One of your own family acting the cunt or the charvers down the street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35558 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Well it makes considerably more sense to petition your own government to not fight in a war. It might not work but at least you have the power to vote against them etc. As an aside Russia should be judged (harshly) by the way it treats its own citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Which would you be most angry about? One of your own family acting the cunt or the charvers down the street? i get what you're saying but this is a bit more than acting the cunt innit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yeah cause they invaded/destabalised/re-invaded/proxy fought 70 countries in 50 years. Mate there is no comparison. America has 737 bases on foreign soil. It's military budget is bigger than the whole planet combined. You might as well move to Brighton. (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013). Aye And when its USAF bombing UN flagged hospitals (for half an hour or more), its just error. When it comes to Syria though all parties have serious blood on their hands. Its a complete disgrace. Assad and Russians bombing civilian areas to US and allies backing what is essentially ISIS and the like. A little read into what the militants were doing when they took Aleppo http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/18/the-media-are-misleading-public-syria/8YB75otYirPzUCnlwaVtcK/story.html?event=event25 Not that what Assad has been doing is much better mind. Like I said complete disgrace on all sides. https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10154135365836939/?pnref=story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Aye And when its USAF bombing UN flagged hospitals (for half an hour or more), its just error. not on here it isn't. it's rightly condemned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5286 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I don't think we do give the Russians an easy time mate. I think we're generally all agreed that they're deplorable in some of the actions they take. The thing is, I can remember a number of arguments on here where people have defended our foreign policy as part of discussions on terrorism, so people do take sides on that issue as well. I said a few weeks ago that our establishment already identifies Russian cruelties. It doesn't identify its own. We need to do that - and that's what 'lefty liberals' try to do. There is no subtle pro-Russian bias man. The only people I've come across who are pro Russia are those who actually hate the yanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 45934 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I'll start a petition on 38 degrees strongly condemning their behaviour if you all promise to sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35558 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 not on here it isn't. it's rightly condemned. Aye I was on about the official position on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 the only good thing to come out of russia is their porn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I'll start a petition on 38 degrees strongly condemning their behaviour if you all promise to sign it. only if you include some copy that is suitably self righteous at the top of the page. that might go some way to levelling the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22125 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Aye I was on about the official position on that. well, aye. they're obviously wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The biased media thing applies generally everywhere though. Saudis bombed a Yemeni funeral a few days back killing well over a hundred. It was barely highlighted in the muslim media because Saudi's are considered some sort of holy custodians of Mecca and can do no wrong. There'd been a raucous if that was Israel and Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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