Monkeys Fist 42449 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Remind me which bit of illegally invading and claiming Crimea is “prodding the bear”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: Wasn't there an agreement that Nato wouldn't push any further after the cold war and that's not happened? Is the bear being prodded a little too much? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 He has a point in a sense re: western involvement (through economists advising those, namely Yeltsin and Gaidar) in the transformation of the Russian economy. Or the post Cold War ‘humiliation’ by the west as he puts it. Those in charge could’ve stopped it at any time though. Especially after it was obvious it was a disaster for virtually everybody. Yeltsin even went against his own parliament. Apart from creating the environment for the oligarchs to basically buy up every industry going. For a fraction of its worth. It also meant that almost all the political power was put in the hands of the president. The oligarchs then chose Putin to be the next president. Almost all of those crimes against the Russia people were committed by Russian corruption. Bush Snr and Clinton fully supported Yeltsin throughout though. And look where we are now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 My politics knowledge especially on this subject is very small. But as soon as a country has joined Nato along their border hasn't the US put rocket sites / radar stations along it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: My politics knowledge especially on this subject is very small. But as soon as a country has joined Nato along their border hasn't the US put rocket sites / radar stations along it? I don’t think any of the former Soviet /Iron Curtain states in NATO have nukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Alex said: I don’t think any of the former Soviet /Iron Curtain states in NATO have nukes I am thinking about Poland. Didn't they join in the late 90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just now, wykikitoon said: I am thinking about Poland. Didn't they join in the late 90s? They’ve joined NATO but (I might be wrong here) but I think the only time they’ve hosted nukes was when they had soviet ones pointed at the west 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Alex said: They’ve joined NATO but (I might be wrong here) but I think the only time they’ve hosted nukes was when they had soviet ones pointed at the west Fair play then It's crazy shit like. Another reason I don't watch the news anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, wykikitoon said: Fair play then It's crazy shit like. Another reason I don't watch the news anymore. Maybe give actual news a go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Maybe give actual news a go? Why? It's full of depressing shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Alex said: They’ve joined NATO but (I might be wrong here) but I think the only time they’ve hosted nukes was when they had soviet ones pointed at the west I think you're right. There were American nukes based in Belgium and West Germany I think, and here I think in places like Greenham Common. And of course ironically Ukraine has russian nuclear weapons which they handed back. Which was a mistake in hindsight. It's rare that I think there has ever been a war as clear cut as there is here as to who the actual agressor is. Putin's "victim blaming" Ukraine - she was asking for it - is utterly laughable, I'm amazed anyone could fall for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Renton said: I think you're right. There were American nukes based in Belgium and West Germany I think, and here I think in places like Greenham Common. And of course ironically Ukraine has russian nuclear weapons which they handed back. Which was a mistake in hindsight. It's rare that I think there has ever been a war as clear cut as there is here as to who the actual agressor is. Putin's "victim blaming" Ukraine - she was asking for it - is utterly laughable, I'm amazed anyone could fall for it. Just to really take the piss he reckons the west caused the war to mask domestic problems caused by widespread corruption 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 They were literally amassing troops on the border for 8 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Yanks have been flying over Harrogate all day. Shitting their pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9417 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 hours ago, wykikitoon said: My politics knowledge especially on this subject is very small. But as soon as a country has joined Nato along their border hasn't the US put rocket sites / radar stations along it? No they don't btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9417 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Renton said: I think you're right. There were American nukes based in Belgium and West Germany I think, and here I think in places like Greenham Common. And of course ironically Ukraine has russian nuclear weapons which they handed back. Which was a mistake in hindsight. It's rare that I think there has ever been a war as clear cut as there is here as to who the actual agressor is. Putin's "victim blaming" Ukraine - she was asking for it - is utterly laughable, I'm amazed anyone could fall for it. Ukraine had more nukes than us and France combined,, they were all decommissioned under a treaty guaranteeing their borders, that worked well 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11279 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 15 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: alright, Farage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42449 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, wykikitoon said: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20149 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-64994087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44883 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Put out a BOLO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42449 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 hours ago, wykikitoon said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-64994087 There’s a fucking grim clip on Reddit at the moment of some poor fucker in a Russian trench getting hit by a drone dropping a grenade on him. He then turns his rifle round and kills himself. Once these clips start getting seen in Russia, which they will soon enough, I reckon his own people will see to Putin. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginolaandtonic 169 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Read the room, Xi…! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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