Vladimir Putin and Russia

[Asprilla 96]

50 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

Brexit and Trumpism were both Russian strategies and financed as such. 
 

We will be much poorer for it, and as a function of that our military capability will diminish (and is diminishing already - RAF as an example, is half the size it was 10/12 years ago).

 

The organisation we left is getting more powerful whilst we shrink, but it’s all good 🙄

 

 

[Asprilla 96]

[Dr Gloom 22147]

2 hours ago, ohhh_yeah said:

 

 

 

which publication is that from? 

[Craig 6700]

Used to transport large amounts of humanitarian aid around the world at short notice. Well done Russia!  

[Dr Gloom 22147]

good ol lizzy 

 

Putin issued nuclear order in response to Liz Truss comments, Kremlin says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/putin-ukraine-russia-truss-nuclear-b2024839.html

 

also 

 

Russia's Kommersant newspaper quoted two diplomatic sources as saying that during their closed-door meeting on Thursday Lavrov had asked Truss if she recognised Russian sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh - two regions in the south of the country where Russia has been building up its forces. Kommersant said Truss replied that Britain would never recognise them as Russian, and had to be corrected by her ambassador. Britain does not dispute the sovereignty of the regions in question. A British source said Truss had misheard during the meeting, and rejected Peskov's characterisation of the West's understanding of the conflict.

[Christmas Tree 4821]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

good ol lizzy 

 

Putin issued nuclear order in response to Liz Truss comments, Kremlin says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/putin-ukraine-russia-truss-nuclear-b2024839.html

 

also 

 

Russia's Kommersant newspaper quoted two diplomatic sources as saying that during their closed-door meeting on Thursday Lavrov had asked Truss if she recognised Russian sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh - two regions in the south of the country where Russia has been building up its forces. Kommersant said Truss replied that Britain would never recognise them as Russian, and had to be corrected by her ambassador. Britain does not dispute the sovereignty of the regions in question. A British source said Truss had misheard during the meeting, and rejected Peskov's characterisation of the West's understanding of the conflict.

 Giveover

 

Puts the world on Nuclear alert because some woman said some nasty things.  

[Dr Gloom 22147]

16 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 Giveover

 

Puts the world on Nuclear alert because some woman said some nasty things.  

 

i thought it might be a joke when I heard it last week but I see Reuters also reported it. even if putin's decision to move nuclear forces to high alert was a direct reaction to the sanctions, these quotes once again underscore the fact we have the worst politicians at the worst time. doesn't even know the official government line ffs

Edited February 28, 2022 by Dr Gloom

[PaddockLad 17646]

34 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

 

 

 

That's a really interesting video. It doesn't however prove or disprove a thing. What Trump says in public is one thing, the fact that he's the leader of an international crime syndicate intrinsically linked to Russia is entirely another... 

[Rayvin 5296]

36 minutes ago, Sonatine said:

 

The whole thread is worth a read.

 

This thread is superb and IMO completely accurate based on my limited knowledge. And it makes me so fucking angry, it really does. I don't even know how we row it back from here.

[Dr Gloom 22147]

 

2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 

That's a really interesting video. It doesn't however prove or disprove a thing. What Trump says in public is one thing, the fact that he's the leader of an international crime syndicate intrinsically linked to Russia is entirely another... 

it's also common knowledge that germany has made smaller contributions as a percentage of gdp to nato than other members and relies heavily on russia for energy. good to see them responding positively to the ukraine crisis on both counts 

[PaddockLad 17646]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

it's also common knowledge that germany has made smaller contributions as a percentage of gdp to nato than other members and relies heavily on russia for energy. good to see them responding positively to the ukraine crisis on both counts 

 

Trump wanted out of NATO.... I wonder why? 

 

 

[Asprilla 96]

34 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 

That's a really interesting video. It doesn't however prove or disprove a thing. What Trump says in public is one thing, the fact that he's the leader of an international crime syndicate intrinsically linked to Russia is entirely another... 

 

I’m not fussed if people have a completely different take on things, I just think Trump was a better president than he was given credit for.

 

 

[Asprilla 96]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

Pathetic man can't join the dots.

It’s ironic that we’re fighting to allow a former member of a political union to remain a separate entity.

[Dr Gloom 22147]

2 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

 

I’m not fussed if people have a completely different take on things, I just think Trump was a better president than he was given credit for.

 

 

 

well that's fine, and of course you're entitled to your opinion, but that video you posted does nothing to suggest that is the case. 

 

trump, like putin, doesn't like the EU or Nato, and did what he could to divide both institutions 

[Dr Gloom 22147]

2 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

It’s ironic that we’re fighting to allow a former member of a political union to remain a separate entity.

 

they're a free, democratic country on europe's border, which wants closer ties with the west, but which has been invaded by an autocrat. it would be weird if we weren't on their side 

[Asprilla 96]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

well that's fine, and of course you're entitled to your opinion, but that video you posted does nothing to suggest that is the case. 

 

trump, like putin, doesn't like the EU or Nato, and did what he could to divide both institutions 

I think he rightly points out that America contributes proportionately more to an entity that is of potentially far more benefit to others than to the US itself.

 

 

[Toonpack 9936]

51 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 Giveover

 

Puts the world on Nuclear alert because some woman said some nasty things.  

That “some woman” is the UK Foreign Secretary and therefore what she says is taken as our position.

 

We know she’s a useless piece of shit, but the position she holds (god help us) is just a tad important

[Asprilla 96]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

 

they're a free, democratic country on europe's border, which wants closer ties with the west, but which has been invaded by an autocrat. it would be weird if we weren't on their side 

I agree… just pointing out that’s it’s a “funny” reversal.

[Dr Gloom 22147]

2 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

I think he rightly points out that America contributes proportionately more to an entity that is of potentially far more benefit to others than to the US itself.

 

 

 

well, he stated the obvious on nato contributions, yes. i fail to see how this makes him a better president than we think.  

 

 

[Toonpack 9936]

9 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

 

I’m not fussed if people have a completely different take on things, I just think Trump was a better president than he was given credit for.

 

 

Thereby confirming he was utterly shit.

 

How many yanks do you know ?? I work with rather a lot of them (I report to the US god help me) and am related to a good few as well btw.

[Alex 35572]

If you get your ‘news’ from ‘alternative news sites’ backed by people of a conservative slant (and by extension in all likelihood Putin) then you’ll have a different view on the actions of Putin and those on his payroll. 

[PaddockLad 17646]

18 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

 

I’m not fussed if people have a completely different take on things, I just think Trump was a better president than he was given credit for.

 

 

 

I think that's what you want to beleive tbh. You can say "he did this, he did that" till the cows come home. The fact that he's a gangster seems to pass people like you by, but your perfectly willing to annhilate Biden and the Clinton's for alllgedly doing the same things. For which you don't appear to have any evidence for in the first place. 

[Asprilla 96]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

well, he stated the obvious on nato contributions, yes. i fail to see how this makes him a better president than we think.  

 

 

When you see him talking from a podium it’s a cringe fest. But in a room he is personable and (in my view) usually accurate in his assessment of most issues.

 

For my money anyway.

[ewerk 31195]

17 minutes ago, Asprilla said:

I think he rightly points out that America contributes proportionately more to an entity that is of potentially far more benefit to others than to the US itself.

 

 

 

How much more does the US contribute?

[Asprilla 96]

8 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 

I think that's what you want to beleive tbh. You can say "he did this, he did that" till the cows come home. The fact that he's a gangster seems to pass people like you by, but your perfectly willing to annhilate Biden and the Clinton's for alllgedly doing the same things. For which you don't appear to have any evidence for in the first place. 

How is he a gangster?