Monkeys Fist 41411 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Renton said: A lot of Ukraine's military is on the Eastern border though and Putin has just gone round it, much like Hitler did going through Benelux during the Blitzkrieg. If Kiev goes, then surely the head of government also goes? Is Zelenskyy still in the city? Apparently so- he needs to skedaddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Renton said: A lot of Ukraine's military is on the Eastern border though and Putin has just gone round it, much like Hitler did going through Benelux during the Blitzkrieg. If Kiev goes, then surely the head of government also goes? Is Zelenskyy still in the city? He said he will stay in the capital and as I said this before but unfortunately he is a martyr as some call it. He will be killed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5129 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Yeah he's not going. And yes, he may well be killed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41411 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just to lighten things up momentarily, Vlad as CT NSFW, obvs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15182 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Just to lighten things up momentarily, Vlad as CT NSFW, obvs. FYP 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8767 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, spongebob toonpants said: Zelensky obviously isnt, they elected a TV star for goodness sake. And its obviously bullshit from Putin to use it as an excuse but I mean some of the armed forces literally have Nazi symbols on their uniforms. They are not exactly hiding it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion All the Ukrainian far right wing parties formed a coalition for the election, they got 2% of the vote, not enough to gain even one seat in parliament. But aye Ukraine is nazi 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8767 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Just to lighten things up momentarily, Vlad as CT NSFW, obvs. You’d better stay away from upper floor windows Fist 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6594 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Good luck to any fucker coming up against him... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5129 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Aye. The EU has been fucking useless on this. I can't believe I'm watching reports of Boris fucking Johnson trying to persuade Germany to do the right thing. Is that real? Is that spin from our side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3723 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: Why the fuck did he wait so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3879 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Toonpack said: All the Ukrainian far right wing parties formed a coalition for the election, they got 2% of the vote, not enough to gain even one seat in parliament. But aye Ukraine is nazi 🙄 Yes because that's exactly what I was saying. Well done, you got me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3723 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: It’s better than them bombing the wrong troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aye. The EU has been fucking useless on this. I can't believe I'm watching reports of Boris fucking Johnson trying to persuade Germany to do the right thing. Is that real? Is that spin from our side? germany rely too much on the russians for energy. then you haver the italians who don't want to stop exporting handbags belgium wants to keep flogging diamonds etc etc putin has the fractured west over a barrel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Craig said: Good luck to any fucker coming up against him... hopefully it comes down to unarmed combat. you don't fuck with dr ironfist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4478 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aye. The EU has been fucking useless on this. I can't believe I'm watching reports of Boris fucking Johnson trying to persuade Germany to do the right thing. Is that real? Is that spin from our side? 9 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aye. The EU has been fucking useless on this. I can't believe I'm watching reports of Boris fucking Johnson trying to persuade Germany to do the right thing. Is that real? Is that spin from our side? No. The UK , USA and quite a few EU countries want Russia out of Swift but Germany, Hungary and one other don’t want to do it. Apparently this would really hurt Russia. From what I understand though, it would also hurt the three EU countries who are holding out so on one hand their reluctance is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5129 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: No. The UK , USA and quite a few EU countries want Russia out of Swift but Germany, Hungary and one other don’t want to do it. Apparently this would really hurt Russia. From what I understand though, it would also hurt the three EU countries who are holding out so on one hand their reluctance is understandable. Ludicrous and weak response from those nations. Italy's stance (if true) is beyond words. If Putin invades Germany would they 'understand' if we sat there deliberating over a fucking sanction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20512 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 This is the thing with the EU, every country has their own needs so blanket sanctions are hard to agree. On the other hand, without any co-ordination between the 27 countries I suspect things would be much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: No. The UK , USA and quite a few EU countries want Russia out of Swift but Germany, Hungary and one other don’t want to do it. Apparently this would really hurt Russia. From what I understand though, it would also hurt the three EU countries who are holding out so on one hand their reluctance is understandable. economic sanctions are a two way street: pain on both sides. we (europe/yanks) need to accept that and suck it up. it's the least we should be doing. they have to be booted out of swift. the issue there is it just accelerates russia forming an alternative payments system with china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20512 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Ludicrous and weak response from those nations. Italy's stance (if true) is beyond words. If Putin invades Germany would they 'understand' if we sat there deliberating over a fucking sanction. I suspect this is a bit rich for a country world famous for catering to Russian oligarchs mind. The tory party aren't even returning or denouncing their Kremlin donations. You could argue a ban on Italian hand bags exports actually won't hurt Putin at all (unless MF's photo is true) but will hurt the Italian economy. What's the point in that? The real problem of course is energy dependence, which is a position Europe should not have allowed to develop to this extent. Caught with our pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13621 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Isn’t the rumour that Putin is ill or has Parkinson’s or what have you? If that’s true, he’s on his way out and he doesn’t really care if it takes everyone with him tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42883 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Not surprised about Italy's stance. Mario Draghi is the former Head of the ECB, so his money before lives attitude is standard. I would imagine there's a good chunk of the Italian people disgusted by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4478 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: economic sanctions are a two way street: pain on both sides. we (europe/yanks) need to accept that and suck it up. it's the least we should be doing. they have to be booted out of swift. the issue there is it just accelerates russia forming an alternative payments system with china. I agree. Some self harm is much better than war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5129 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Not surprised about Italy's stance. Mario Draghi is the former Head of the ECB, so his money before lives attitude is standard. I would imagine there's a good chunk of the Italian people disgusted by it. Naturally yes, I'd go so far as to say most of them. We need much better leaders than we actually have, seemingly right across the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3879 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Renton said: I suspect this is a bit rich for a country world famous for catering to Russian oligarchs mind. The tory party aren't even returning or denouncing their Kremlin donations. You could argue a ban on Italian hand bags exports actually won't hurt Putin at all (unless MF's photo is true) but will hurt the Italian economy. What's the point in that? The real problem of course is energy dependence, which is a position Europe should not have allowed to develop to this extent. Caught with our pants down. Agree with this, but its also wheat. I think Russia produces 25% of the worlds wheat. Also whilst it is tempting just to go straight to obliterating Putin the sad truth is you have to try and leave some diplomatic avenues or you are pretty much guaranteed MAD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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