Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just how dangerous are they? Or is it just western propaganda in the media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 In what sense? All this talk of him swinging the US election would suggest he's totally incompetent as Clinton has an 88% likelihood of winning now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Wish somebody would put them in their place like. Economic sanctions aren't punishment for administering lethal poison in our capital or shooting down civilian aircraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I think they sound more dangerous than they are. They're a relatively poor country still, and if push came to shove with the Americans I don't think they'd have the financial stamina for a drawn out conflict without making conditions on the home front desperate. That said, their foreign policy appears to be successful. I sometimes wonder though if they and the yanks are in cahoots on the basis that having each other there as 'the big bad' allows justification for continued military expenditure and populace controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 What they've done to Aleppo is a disgrace. What we're seeing in Syria is basically a US v Russia proxy war. A "stronger" president than Obama and we could have been in another Cold War situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 People think the yanks are bad (usually the liberal left) but the Russians are worse. Awful place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17238 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Rogue-ish state. But only as expansionist and protectionist as the US. The yanks get better PR due to a tame mainstream media. Ukraine was being tempted to move towards the EU for trade and defence etc, they've put a stop to that in their "own inimitable fashion". I hardly need to mention occasions when the US have "intervened" in the affairs of other states they wish to jump to their own tune.. Edited October 13, 2016 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17238 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 What they've done to Aleppo is a disgrace. What we're seeing in Syria is basically a US v Russia proxy war. A "stronger" president than Obama and we could have been in another Cold War situation. You might want to review some images of what was left of the likes of Fallujah after a visit from the US marine corps and the USAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 http://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-270-poking-the-bear/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 You might want to review some images of what was left of the likes of Fallujah after a visit from the US marine corps and the USAF. Also a disgrace. We only like to protest against our own and our allies though, it seems to me. You hear far less outcry about what the Russians are doing from the same quarters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 My beef with Russia is also the regime. Putin is a dictator in all but name. The people there are the most inhospitable, awful lot I've ever encountered. No big surprise given how appalling the food and weather is, among other things. Hideous place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4376 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 It looked quite hopeful when Gorbachev was in but it seems to have gone to shit again since. There's some stat about the UK that 85% of the wealth is owned by 5% of the population. I saw a claim that a similar percentage of the wealth in Russia is owned by 135 individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Busy saving the West from itself as it did in WW2. Without Russian air power the ISIS flag would be flying in Damascus today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30534 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Aye, great bunch of lads, the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15518 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 They keep sending peace ballads to Eurovision. Got to admire them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 It looked quite hopeful when Gorbachev was in but it seems to have gone to shit again since. There's some stat about the UK that 85% of the wealth is owned by 5% of the population. I saw a claim that a similar percentage of the wealth in Russia is owned by 135 individuals. i think it's mainly just posturing. We're not in another cold war just yet. The tragedy is it's innocent civilians in Syria who are paying the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) Yeah it's all about the civilians now, it didn't seem to be when ISIS were winning and Al Nusra were eating hearts and NATO were bombing (mainly Syrian infrastructure yet not the oilfields) and Turkey were buying ISIS oil. The West are winning its about dictators and regimes the West or their proxies start losing its about civilians. It's such a tedious and boring old playbook yet people don't seem to have enough critical distance to it. Civilians have been suffering since day one and from both sides. Edited October 13, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35055 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The World Cup is going to be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15518 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The World Cup is going to be great Should be possible to engineer it so Russia, the USA and Iran are in the same group, I reckon. Maybe with Colombia too, just for a bit of random nutjob threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Aye, great bunch of lads, the Russians. as we saw during the euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35055 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I wouldn't like to be judged as a nation on that basis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Yeah it's all about the civilians now, it didn't seem to be when ISIS were winning and Al Nusra were eating hearts and NATO were bombing (mainly Syrian infrastructure yet not the oilfields) and Turkey were buying ISIS oil. The West are winning its about dictators and regimes the West or their proxies start losing its about civilians. It's such a tedious and boring old playbook yet people don't seem to have enough critical distance to it. Civilians have been suffering since day one and from both sides. what a load of bollocks. western imperialism has been pilloried on here. the russians deserve the same treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21911 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I wouldn't like to be judged as a nation on that basis we used to be the russians until they showed us how to do it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35055 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Basically a reaction to not being able to come out of the closet. Joking apart, I bet that does apply to a fair few of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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