Tooj 17 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 He did well based on the expectations people had of him but we can do and have got better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13768 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 He did well based on the expectations people had of him but we can do and have got better. We're in Division 2. If our keeper has two hands, I'm pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 He's a good keeper, unfortunately for you Decent in the Championship perhaps. Decent cover at the next level. He's a good shot stopper but he's not a very commanding keeper and, at times, is far too slow to close players down in the box. He's done well for us though but, as Tooj says, in the context of expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1219 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Radio Newcastles commentary suggested that Selz was very shakey but I've seen people who were at the match say that he was fine. Maybe it's just that we're not used to a keeper who wants to punch everything, which is very much the continental way these days. He's not impressed me much so far mind, but Elliot and Darlow both looked poor early on. In fact, before last season everyone feared whenever Elliot had to play. It sounds like Krul won't be here much longer anyway so we won't have to consider him anymore. I'm certain Selz must have been playing better in Belgium to be voted their keeper of the season for two of the past three, so hopefully he can find his form quickly. Anyway, any away win is very welcome these days. It might not have been pretty but after being so poor away from home for so long, it's not going to be for a while yet. I'm not sure it's ever going to be that pretty under Rafa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4713 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Decent in the Championship perhaps. Decent cover at the next level. He's a good shot stopper but he's not a very commanding keeper and, at times, is far too slow to close players down in the box. He's done well for us though but, as Tooj says, in the context of expectations. Good shot stopper doesn't command his area too slow to close down in the box What of those things is Krul actually better at? He has to odd game where he gets the bit between his teeth and can't be beaten but he has pathetically weak wrists given how much he gets a hand to that just flop them backwards and go in anyway. He used to look quite commanding in his area but that has somehow been coached out of him, or he's lost his nerve and he definitely doesn't come off his line with any aplomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Not quite sure why Elliott is getting the stick he is in this thread. His form the past 6 months has been better than Krul's in the past 3 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Decent in the Championship perhaps. Decent cover at the next level. He's a good shot stopper but he's not a very commanding keeper and, at times, is far too slow to close players down in the box. He's done well for us though but, as Tooj says, in the context of expectations. Tooj said he 'wasn't up to much', and that Darlow should be given a chance ahead of him. For Anyone that watched Elliot in goal the first 2/3rds of the season and Darlow the final 1/3rd that's crackers. So far Sels looks on a par with Darlow, not saying he won't come good but for a squad with the England youth keeper, the Dutch national keeper and Elliot it does seem a bizarre decision to buy a new keeper let alone persevere with him flapping all over the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1219 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Krul and Elliott are injured so that left us to start the season with just Darlow as a senior keeper. It's not very strange that Rafa decided he needed to bring in another keeper. I think he's known all along that Krul feels it's time to move on now too. Edited August 22, 2016 by David Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10685 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Radio Newcastles commentary suggested that Selz was very shakey but I've seen people who were at the match say that he was fine. Maybe it's just that we're not used to a keeper who wants to punch everything, which is very much the continental way these days. He's not impressed me much so far mind, but Elliot and Darlow both looked poor early on. In fact, before last season everyone feared whenever Elliot had to play. It sounds like Krul won't be here much longer anyway so we won't have to consider him anymore. I'm certain Selz must have been playing better in Belgium to be voted their keeper of the season for two of the past three, so hopefully he can find his form quickly. Anyway, any away win is very welcome these days. It might not have been pretty but after being so poor away from home for so long, it's not going to be for a while yet. I'm not sure it's ever going to be that pretty under Rafa. The few highlights I've seen of the game show him to be quite panicky, but I suppose they're never going to show highlights of a 'keeper calmly collecting/dealing with a cross. Good result on the whole and it puts the Away-day hoodoo in a box for a bit. A lot of twitter seems to be worried that we faded in the second half, but was that the case or did Rafa settle for a 1-0 win? Certainly the comments about working on counter-attacks suggests we sat back once we'd got the lead. Hayden was quality again, by all accounts. 7 Interceptions in another competent display from the young lad. Ritchie is getting praise too and has been after every game. Diame is still growing in confidence and fitness (Hull's preseason couldn't have helped). Lascelles was very good and Gayle is up to 4 in 4. New signings had a good game I'd expect a lot of changes for the Cheltenham game. Mitrovic and Perez to start, Shelvey, Janmaat, Hanley and Dummett too? Looking forward to see who comes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1219 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 The few highlights I've seen of the game show him to be quite panicky, but I suppose they're never going to show highlights of a 'keeper calmly collecting/dealing with a cross. Good result on the whole and it puts the Away-day hoodoo in a box for a bit. A lot of twitter seems to be worried that we faded in the second half, but was that the case or did Rafa settle for a 1-0 win? Certainly the comments about working on counter-attacks suggests we sat back once we'd got the lead. Hayden was quality again, by all accounts. 7 Interceptions in another competent display from the young lad. Ritchie is getting praise too and has been after every game. Diame is still growing in confidence and fitness (Hull's preseason couldn't have helped). Lascelles was very good and Gayle is up to 4 in 4. New signings had a good game I'd expect a lot of changes for the Cheltenham game. Mitrovic and Perez to start, Shelvey, Janmaat, Hanley and Dummett too? Looking forward to see who comes in Yeah I agree the highlights didn't look too kind on Selz but with seeing so little of the game it's impossible to tell. Even if we had longer highlight's, it's unlikely they would have shown much of Selz coming and doing well on crosses. Most of the reaction on Twitter seems to have been from people who only listened to the match and saw the same highlights we did. Ryder's marks and comments seemed to give a different picture to what John Anderson did. But Hayden certainly seemed to have a good game and Diame seemed much more involved than last week. He's seemed to suggest his fitness isn't quite there at the moment so he should get better. Ritchie sounded like he had a quieter game than his others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Looking at the difference in team sheets from being at home to Reading and away at Bristol I think we'll see Rafa continue to set us up more tentatively away from home and more attacking at home. He'll have core set of players for both games and switch around a few others eg Colback for Shelvey etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Selz will hopefully settle down and he was bought 1) because of the injuries and 2) because Krul wants away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 After Elliot's transformation I'm prepared to give any goalkeeper more time to get themselves up to speed. I think we're covered fairly well in this area now, not a big concern. He kept a clean sheet at the weekend anyway, so criticising seems a bit harsh at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4172 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Every single goalkeeper playing professional footballer is "a good shot stopper" it's the bare minimum required. The better goalkeepers excel at other things too. The very best goalkeepers are the ones who make very few mistakes. Krul is our best keeper by a fair distance, he just hasn't played well for a decent amount of time. Hopefully Sels will get more used to the league and become more confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4713 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Every single goalkeeper playing professional footballer is "a good shot stopper" it's the bare minimum required. The better goalkeepers excel at other things too. The very best goalkeepers are the ones who make very few mistakes. Krul is our best keeper by a fair distance, he just hasn't played well for a decent amount of time. Hopefully Sels will get more used to the league and become more confident. I don't agree, you're as good as your performances, Krul hasn't been at a level above how elliot performed last year since the season we finished 5th. That's a long time since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Not quite sure why Elliott is getting the stick he is in this thread. His form the past 6 months has been better than Krul's in the past 3 year. Exactly, members just posting shite for the sake of an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Always felt it was undeniable that Elliot's distribution is better than Krul's like. Edited August 22, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4172 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Exactly, members just posting shite for the sake of an argument. Fuck off man. I didn't want an argument but I will if you are still struggling to get the sand out of your minge. There is very obviously a difference between a good player playing badly and a bad player. If it was as simple as you were shite last week so player B is better then that doesn't make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 297 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 We get an away win, first in many months AND a clean sheet and still the whinging ! that said, at least we're not trying to sack Rafa after 2 games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21801 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Have to agree with the consensus regarding Elliot. He looked shaky when he first came into the side but he did well last season when he had that run of games. So much that I wouldn't be that bothered if Krul left now and Elliot was number one. Krul has some games when he looks unbeatable but he can drop a bollock as well. Elliot was a solid, reliable keeper last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10685 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Krul's got the tools to be a better 'keeper than Elliott and I've said before, Krul's more likely to make the "how the fuck did he do that?!" save, but he needs to cut out silly mistakes. Elliott is solid but unspectacular, but sometimes, that's what you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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