Dr Gloom 22011 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Jim Jefferies nails it https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=gxN1LWWE5zY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5236 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Funny, but somewhat optimistic about the state of the human condition. I always felt that without religion, we'd be killing each other for other things anyway. And I think we've proven this over time (oil). That said, on the ground level, religion is the thing that motivates people to commit wrongdoings. Well, that and nationalism/racism. And money. And politics. I just think we're collectively fucking useless no matter which way you spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5236 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 He is, however, 100% right about scientific progress and endeavour being thwarted by religion and the moralistic codes we have established as a result of it. America in particular struggles in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17340 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 He's largely wrong and Rayvin is largely right The Nazis didn't need a religion to try to exterminate Jews, gypsies, the disabled, homosexuals etc etc... Just because Isis are using some twisted form of religion as their motivation, their end goals amount to the same thing, a lust for power over others. Religion is a massive red herring that's just used to divide the wider population in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 He's largely wrong and Rayvin is largely right The Nazis didn't need a religion to try to exterminate Jews, gypsies, the disabled, homosexuals etc etc... Just because Isis are using some twisted form of religion as their motivation, their end goals amount to the same thing, a lust for power over others. Religion is a massive red herring that's just used to divide the wider population in general. Nazis had a religion alright. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) He is, however, 100% right about scientific progress and endeavour being thwarted by religion and the moralistic codes we have established as a result of it. America in particular struggles in this respect. I don't want companies copyrighting any parts of the human genome or any genetic alterations etc they come up with. It's all in the works... Edited July 30, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17340 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Nazis had a religion alright. Hitler was a devil worshipper...but there again so was Stalin I suppose they were ethnically German Catholics before Hugo Boss issued them with a nice new rig out, but they weren't doing it in the name of the Pope tbh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) Hitler was a devil worshipper...but there again so was Stalin I suppose they were ethnically German Catholics before Hugo Boss issued them with a nice new rig out, but they weren't doing it in the name of the Pope tbh.. This is a solid primer mate. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Sun-Esoteric-Politics-Identity/dp/0814731554 The esoteric wing of the SS and the aristocratic Nazis ran the full gamut of Eastern religions (Hummer's trip to the Himalaya), Teutonic Knights (Templar order) astrology and the Black Sun. It's a massive and fascinating topic. But at its roots Fascism was informed and driven by the occult (a new world/old words religion). As you say they were also helped and financed by the Catholic Church (inner orders of which are completely esoteric) along with Swiss and American banks some of which had Templar origins (deffo Swiss)... Schrodinger Bank (HItlers Bank) and various other Swiss Banks were initially created with the hidden Templar riches stolen from the middle east....It's no coincidence the Templar defeat at Aachen coinciding with the creation of Switzer a few months later. Just look at the flag ffs! This devil worship is a catchall but actually masks the religion of our rulers which came down from Sumer to Egypt and then into Europe. Edited July 30, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17340 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 This is a solid primer mate. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Sun-Esoteric-Politics-Identity/dp/0814731554 I think that's one of them where if you nip into Waterstones and order a copy there's someone in Whitehall who shades a bit of a spreadsheet red next to your name I know a tiny bit about it, as I say am aware both Adolf and Uncle Joe dabbled in the occult, but it's twenty years since I was reading that sort of stuff, I had a lovely period in my mid twenties when I was nearly as paranoid as you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I think that's one of them where if you nip into Waterstones and order a copy there's someone in Whitehall who shades a bit of a spreadsheet red next to your name I know a tiny bit about it, as I say am aware both Adolf and Uncle Joe dabbled in the occult, but it's twenty years since I was reading that sort of stuff, I had a lovely period in my mid twenties when I was nearly as paranoid as you Nah you get invited to the Castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17340 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 This is a solid primer mate. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Sun-Esoteric-Politics-Identity/dp/0814731554 The esoteric wing of the SS and the aristocratic Nazis ran the full gamut of Eastern religions (Hummer's trip to the Himalaya), Teutonic Knights (Templar order) astrology and the Black Sun. It's a massive and fascinating topic. But at its roots Fascism was informed and driven by the occult (a new world/old words religion). As you say they were also helped and financed by the Catholic Church (inner orders of which are completely esoteric) along with Swiss and American banks some of which had Templar origins (deffo Swiss)... Schrodinger Bank (HItlers Bank) and various other Swiss Banks were initially created with the hidden Templar riches stolen from the middle east....It's no coincidence the Templar defeat at Aachen coinciding with the creation of Switzer a few months later. Just look at the flag ffs! This devil worship is a catchall but actually masks the religion of our rulers which came down from Sumer to Egypt and then into Europe. A lad I worked with had a book that explains all that (I borrowed it but never gave it back, still got it) I'd forgotten some of the things that you mention here, it is properly interesting but am not sure how much of it I buy now am older and whether it matters what the motivation is if you're just a a gang of psychopathically deranged killers. They're all doing it for the same reasons regardless of motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 A lad I worked with had a book that explains all that (I borrowed it but never gave it back, still got it) I'd forgotten some of the things that you mention here, it is properly interesting but am not sure how much of it I buy now am older and whether it matters what the motivation is if you're just a a gang of psychopathically deranged killers. They're all doing it for the same reasons regardless of motivation. They are different to us in some way. Psychopaths for sure but cold generally...The bloodlines man....(They breed very selectively). You can look at the Lily of the Nile and its transposition/mirror in the Fleur de Lys/ Edelweiss (only grows in certain parts of the Alps)....And the blue flower Batman had to collect on his way up to the mountain for his training. They won't shut up about their religion but they don't make it clear either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22011 Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 no ones head has ever been cut off in the name of atheism no one has ever cut into human flesh and looked down into the camera and screamed In the name of nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 45235 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 no ones head has ever been cut off in the name of atheism no one has ever cut into human flesh and looked down into the camera and screamed In the name of nothing!Chill out TV evangelist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5236 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) no ones head has ever been cut off in the name of atheism no one has ever cut into human flesh and looked down into the camera and screamed In the name of nothing! How many heads have been cut off, and how many cuts into human flesh have occurred, in the name of money or power Edited July 30, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22011 Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 Chill out TV evangelist! Those are Jefferies' words. Bloody brilliant stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 no ones head has ever been cut off in the name of atheism no one has ever cut into human flesh and looked down into the camera and screamed In the name of nothing!Funny line, but the atheist communist party of China have more executions than the rest of the world combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4396 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Political idealogies like Maoism and Stalinism are very similar to religions - they are power/control mechanisms used to bend the masses to the wills of the leaders. Religion is different to me because it actively encourages its followers to believe in superstisious nonsense to the detriment of knowledge and healthy curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5236 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I'd argue that the effect Mao had on Chinese people was approaching into the realms of superstitious ideology mind... the 'cult of Mao' was a prominent thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I always used find it strange how we allow all other nationalities and religions into this country and yet we have to bow down to their belief's and ways. Yet, when we go to their countries, we are under their laws in a strict sense and our laws and belief's are basically rendered irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7065 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 53 minutes ago, wolfy said: I always used find it strange how we allow all other nationalities and religions into this country and yet we have to bow down to their belief's and ways. Yet, when we go to their countries, we are under their laws in a strict sense and our laws and belief's are basically rendered irrelevant. Except we don't. Brits go to places like Dubai and Qatar and drink beer, sunbathe in their trunks and don't go to prayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30744 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 57 minutes ago, wolfy said: I always used find it strange how we allow all other nationalities and religions into this country and yet we have to bow down to their belief's and ways. Name me one way in which we bow down to their beliefs and ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3922 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, ewerk said: Name me one way in which we bow down to their beliefs and ways. The man thinks the earth is flat man, he's a thick twat who shouldn't be allowed to vote tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22011 Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, ewerk said: Name me one way in which we bow down to their beliefs and ways. Well you can't neck on with a lass in public in Dubai, or be gay, or have any evidence of porn on your computer unless you fancy a stretch inside a Dubai prison, which I'm sure are charming. in Saudi there is strict segregation of sexes in public places like swimming pools, it's illegal for women to drive. Anyone found under the influence of alcohol can face strict punishment etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 28 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Except we don't. Brits go to places like Dubai and Qatar and drink beer, sunbathe in their trunks and don't go to prayer No they don't. I should know. They may not go to prayer but are strictly dealt with if they flout their rules. As for beer in Qatar. Only in their establishments are you allowed to drink it and for exorbitant prices. Spit on their streets or take a piss against a wall and you're in serious trouble, unless you can afford to pay a few hundred quid off the hip to get out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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