Daryl Janmaat

[Dr Gloom 21768]

We aren't going to spend the extra 100m. No club outside the top4/5 can. Spurs will have to start cutting back soon as there will be no Bale/Modric money in the short/medium term. They have a huge wage bill as well.

 

i don't think anyone's expecting or asking us to spend £100m on players.

Edited July 15, 2014 by Dr Gloom

[Christmas Tree 4676]

7 months ago we were competing for a champions league spot . As long as we get a couple of strikers in I see no reason why we can't repeat that.

[Kid Dynamite 6973]

Because we'd already had Tiote, Cabaye, Coloccini for a number of seasons. No hope 5 new foreigners are going to hit the ground running this season

[Tooj 17]

7 months ago we were competing for a champions league spot . As long as we get a couple of strikers in I see no reason why we can't repeat that.

 

Are you back on the Pardew for England train like?

[trooper 940]

7 months ago we were competing for a champions league spot . As long as we get a couple of strikers in I see no reason why we can't repeat that.

Damp squid

[Tooj 17]

I don't actually consider Cabaye to be any better than Siem (far better all-round game). Debuchy is marginally better at coming forward and worse defensively than Janmmat. We're slightly up on these deals.

 

Based on the opinons you have read on NO?

[David Kelly 1217]

I agree there appears to be decent signings coming in, but there's proven decent players going out. So who knows if it'll improve?

Every club can say that tbf. You never know how a player will be able to transfer his form from his previous club to his new one. But there's reason to be hopefull that by adding two creative players that weren't there so far this year and replacing our rightback with one who's just looked good for Holland up to the semi's of the world cup, that things will improve.

[trooper 940]

Every club can say that tbf. You never know how a player will be able to transfer his form from his previous club to his new one. But there's reason to be hopefull that by adding two creative players that weren't there so far this year and replacing our rightback with one who's just looked good for Holland up to the semi's of the world cup, that things will improve.

Dont forget they have to play under Pardew

[David Kelly 1217]

Dont forget they have to play under Pardew

Unfortunately thats true for any signing we make.

 

Like I've already said, I'm in no way suggesting everything is rosey and forgetting what cunts Ashley and Pardew are. I'm just quite happy with the business we've done so far in this window. We've lost Shola, Gosling and Debuchy and have gained Perez, Colback, De Jong, Cabella and Jalmaat. Whilst im disapointed Debuchy is gone, the other two are no loss at all. If we can do equally good business on bringing strikers and don't lose any other senior players then this window will clearly be a success.

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

 

No, yours is the simplistic view as its easier to be critical.

 

For a reason, man. That people have started being happy at selling one of our best players just because we've actually replaced him is a sad reflection on how low expectations are. I was hoping the protests towards the end of last season were the start of a revolt against these fucking pricks. A couple of cheap signings and people are trying to drawing positives. Fuck the (questionable) positives, and see it for what it is.

[Dr Gloom 21768]

7 months ago we were competing for a champions league spot . As long as we get a couple of strikers in I see no reason why we can't repeat that.

 

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

Every club can say that tbf. You never know how a player will be able to transfer his form from his previous club to his new one. But there's reason to be hopefull that by adding two creative players that weren't there so far this year and replacing our rightback with one who's just looked good for Holland up to the semi's of the world cup, that things will improve.

 

 

Not really. Some clubs replace outgoings with players of bigger reputations. We're doing the opposite.

[aimaad22 4095]

I don't actually consider Cabaye to be any better than Siem (far better all-round game). Debuchy is marginally better at coming forward and worse defensively than Janmmat. We're slightly up on these deals.

 

Does he anywhere near the passing range Cabaye does? Its what we need really.

[trooper 940]

A couple of marquee strikers wouldn't break the bank would it ?

[trooper 940]

A couple of marquee strikers wouldn't break the bank would it ?

Of course for that to happen they'd have to issue a new statement of intent

[Christmas Tree 4676]

Far too much talk in this thread about Debuchy being our best player as well. In his brief time here he's had a handful of decent games and a load of Shit games.

[Dr Gloom 21768]

Far too much talk in this thread about Debuchy being our best player as well. In his brief time here he's had a handful of decent games and a load of Shit games.

 

no danny simpson either tbh.

 

or shane ferguson.

 

imagine if we had those two back at full back, with lua lua back in the fold too. then i'd be really excited about the new season.

[jonasjuice 0]

Debuchy's quality and would look better in a team with more license to go forward, but he's not irreplaceable and not happy here so as an isolated deal taking the money (Circa £10m?) for the good soon to be 29 year old with 25 French caps and taking the (based solely on the WC I'll admit) good soon to be 25 year old with 21 Dutch caps for about £5m makes sense to me.

[Park Life 71]

Debuchy's quality and would look better in a team with more license to go forward, but he's not irreplaceable and not happy here so as an isolated deal taking the money (Circa £10m?) for the good soon to be 29 year old with 25 French caps and taking the (based solely on the WC I'll admit) good soon to be 25 year old with 21 Dutch caps for about £5m makes sense to me.

Yup. Think is a better defender from what I saw of him in the WC. No rash petulant hacks ala Debuchy.

[Ausman 0]

Well another quality signing coming in, very pleased so far. Now watch them go down hill after Pardew starts working on them.

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

Yup. Think is a better defender from what I saw of him in the WC. No rash petulant hacks ala Debuchy.

 

 

The way he defends is what makes him good at attacking. He tries not to give players time to turn and run at him. He gets tight, intercepts then immediately looks to break. It's a style that means he'll always concede fouls. We're worse off for this deal, not sure why people can't see that.

[Tom 14011]

 

he was one of the most consistent right backs in europe last year, played in the world cup and has just moved to a champions league club

 

you're a moron

 

[Howay 12496]

 

he was one of the most consistent right backs in europe last year, played in the world cup and has just moved to a champions league club

 

you're a moron

He's on the wind up man, it's clear as day Debuchy is class.

[David Kelly 1217]

Not really. Some clubs replace outgoings with players of bigger reputations. We're doing the opposite.

Reputation is no guarantee of success though. Look at Manure signing someone like Veron. Massive reputation but he wasn't a success at all.

 

And Janmaat, De Jong & Cabella are all coming with good reputations so I really don't see it as much of a problem. Tbh while we all rate Debuchy here (well apart from CT) I'm not sure his reputation is that high all over. Janmaat's is probably higher to a lot of people.

[Dr Gloom 21768]

nice piece in the chronicle by mark douglas. makes you realise how awful lee ryder's prose is reading a thoughtful piece of analysis like this - http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-douglas-newcastle-united-signing-7428720

 

 

 

Mark Douglas: So was Newcastle United signing players all it took to quell the discontent?

 

So is that all that it takes then?

 

As Newcastle United roll out the crimson carpet for another 24-carat capture, the black and white narrative appears to be subtly shifting. A season that ended with bitterness, acrimony and quite extraordinary protests is morphing into a more optimistic summer. With the promise of more recruits to arrive, the mood towards the Magpie hierarchy appears to be softening.

 

It is, of course, impossible to sum up the mood of a supporter base that might run into the six figures accurately. But that 21st century barometer of social media certainly appears to have looked favourably towards the club’s approach since the transfer window officially opened on July 1.

 

Did all Ashley have to do is sign some players (and effectively just recycle the Yohan Cabaye money) to dent the discomfort and discontent? Well, not quite: and that is the central tension of Newcastle under Ashley. It has never, ever been a case of the owner being universally unpopular from the moment Kevin Keegan’s departure snapped the patience and good will of United’s support.

 

There have been some significant advances on his watch. Scouting and recruitment, for one, is better - possibly - than it has ever been, certainly overseas. Ticket prices have been maintained at an affordable level.

Part of the anger at Ashley has always been at the wasted potential, the intransigence and the unwillingness to engage or listen. An English-born billionaire with the common touch who has built a company from nothing takes over Newcastle? His midas touch should work. It hasn’t.

 

But at various points it has looked like it might. When United finished fifth they were the toast of the Premier League. They bought well and mobilised people behind their blueprint. Then it frittered away. Last season was an unholy mess, ended in a supporter uprising.

 

Was it that the protest movement was a backlash against five months of poor results or did it encompass more fundamental concerns with the club’s direction under Ashley?

 

Some of those, surely, remain. Top of the agenda remains the club’s troubling attitude to knockout competitions, which remains incredible.

 

There is also the issue of the club’s relationship in the community – and with its own fans. Ashley’s attitude to institutions in the city mean that links with the council, local media and local business community could be improved. Many supporters felt the lack of communication and insulting appointment of Joe Kinnear was a sign that they were being taken for granted last season and treated with contempt.

 

A festering concern – perhaps not a touchstone issue among many match-going supporters – is their relationship with the free press. Bans remain in place. The club’s PR department are not given a free rein to sell good news stories to the widest possible audience. It means revolutionary stuff like reciprocal ticketing policies hardly get the credit they deserve.

 

Then there is the question of the club’s off-field activities, and the apparently contracting commercial revenues. Despite the encouraging signs of team building – which were long trailed by the written press that Ashley does not care for – surely those remain in need of scrutiny.

 

The tightening of links between Sports Direct and Newcastle United continues: the club’s arrival in New Zealand over the weekend will come in the wake of the announcement that Ashley’s company will expand down under. Every new signing has to be pictured with Sports Direct prominently emblazoned in the background. Despite this, the company does not put a penny into United. They are, effectively, unpaid commercial partners.

 

Therein lies the rub, though. All of these things matter less if there is a sense of direction and drive about the club. None of the Premier League’s 20 members are perfect but the ones that carry their supporters with them have given them reason to trust. Thanks to their double talk and denials, United have eroded those bonds.

 

It is difficult and complicated. How do you square those reservations with the first signs that Newcastle are moving in the right direction again?

 

De Jong, Cabella and Janmaat reinforce the idea that Newcastle’s recruitment is smarter than it has ever been. They identify players earlier than others and have a clear sense of identity in the kind of players they go for and how they manage to do those deals.

 

Is it a coincidence that the people in charge of that department are trusted by Ashley and given a clear run at things? He has appointed the right people and rewarded them for the job they’ve done. Now he is backing them again and things are moving on an upward trajectory.

 

There should no sense of conflict from Newcastle supporters gladdened at the new arrivals. We called long and hard for a sign of intent, purpose and ambition from the club and now that it has arrived it should be praised. There’s surely no problem with that?

 

The irony is that if Newcastle had done this 12 months ago instead of giving jobs to the boys, they might have been nicely placed. Manchester United’s changing of the guard handed the chasing pack an opportunity and United had a good squad with a manager who, while under pressure, was not starting with as much ground to make up as he is next month. It was an outside chance, but it was a chance nonetheless.

 

Even at Christmas as United hovered within sight of Champions League contention, bringing in Cabella and De Jong might have made a difference. There was a chance there but Ashley opted to hold on to his chips. The gamble never came: Cabaye was sold and half a season became collateral damage. The performances at the end were pitiful. It was wince-inducing.

 

But having taken two steps back, United are on the front foot again. The timing and motivation seem strange but this is Ashley’s Newcastle. As a savvy Twitter user pointed out, his unorthodox approach is both his biggest weakness and his biggest strength. He will do it his way.

Edited July 15, 2014 by Dr Gloom