Howmanheyman 31592 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, Alex said: Imagine the UK press reaction to another head of state paying £10m hush money to keep their nonce son out of bother. Said it before but.... Swap Tory government for royal family in this case but, aye, similar vibes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34093 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Said it before but.... Swap Tory government for royal family in this case but, aye, similar vibes. Trump’s handling of Covid was a good example. With that getting loads of coverage at the time, with a blind eye being turned to the utter fucking shambles ensuing at no. 10. With the BBC’s political editor being briefed directly by Dominic Cummings too Edited January 19 by Alex 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31592 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, Alex said: Trump’s handling of Covid was a good example. With that getting loads of coverage at the time, with a blind eye being turned to the utter fucking shambles ensuing at no. 10. With the BBC’s political editor being briefed directly by Dominic Cummings too The difference in reporting from the BBC very early on when it broke in Italy compared to when it got here was night and day. The reports coming from there was comparable to some apocalyptic film but changed drastically when it hit good ol' blighty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34093 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Marlena Shaw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16523 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Very likely won’t mean a lot to many on here but the music journo Neil Kulkarni has died. He was also one of the main contributors to the Chart Music pod, much beloved of @spongebob toonpants and myself . He was from Coventry and wrote this when Terry Hall died. RIP Neil https://thequietus.com/articles/32486-terry-hall-obituary-the-specials 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 26 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Very likely won’t mean a lot to many on here but the music journo Neil Kulkarni has died. He was also one of the main contributors to the Chart Music pod, much beloved of @spongebob toonpants and myself . He was from Coventry and wrote this when Terry Hall died. RIP Neil https://thequietus.com/articles/32486-terry-hall-obituary-the-specials Holy shit that's awful news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Seems to have come completely out of nowhere, they did a live show in Birmingham last week, by all accounts he was on top form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41318 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 21/01/2024 at 12:50, Alex said: Marlena Shaw Just seen this. Hell of a voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I've got to say this Neil Kulkarni news has affected me much more than I thought it would. I've been driving a lot lately and listening to the chart music pod constantly, his take downs of Morrisey and Oasis amongst many highlights, but the fucker was also so funny Anyway here's a glorious article about britpop by him https://neilk.substack.com/p/please-please-just-fuck-off-with?r=4kh3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34093 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 18 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: I've got to say this Neil Kulkarni news has affected me much more than I thought it would. I've been driving a lot lately and listening to the chart music pod constantly, his take downs of Morrisey and Oasis amongst many highlights, but the fucker was also so funny Anyway here's a glorious article about britpop by him https://neilk.substack.com/p/please-please-just-fuck-off-with?r=4kh3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web I’ve started following his podcast but haven’t started it yet due to having almost waded through the huge Talking Sopranos one, with its hours long 90-odd episodes. That piece is superb though. I lived and fucking love(d) the 90s and it continues to boil my piss about the way it’s presented compared to what it was really like. Mainly because things like the Britpop stuff masks the actual good stuff from back then. But I don’t think I’ve quite seen my feelings on it articulated so brilliantly. Cheers for that. Edited January 23 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16523 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 @Alex @spongebob toonpants How many of these do you own? (Am on 5 ) https://neilk.substack.com/p/the-ten-most-overrated-albums-in-pop-history-2447055f20e3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4256 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I've copied 10,7 and 8 but that's it, none bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31592 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: @Alex @spongebob toonpants How many of these do you own? (Am on 5 ) https://neilk.substack.com/p/the-ten-most-overrated-albums-in-pop-history-2447055f20e3 Even though I wasn't tagged I'll tell you. Zero, nada, zilch zip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16523 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Even though I wasn't tagged I'll tell you. Zero, nada, zilch zip. You’re too cool for school one for you… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34093 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 30 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: @Alex @spongebob toonpants How many of these do you own? (Am on 5 ) https://neilk.substack.com/p/the-ten-most-overrated-albums-in-pop-history-2447055f20e3 About 8. Although I’d only really disagree re: Screamadelica. I still think it’s class. Entroducing has its moments but he’s right about there being more interesting artists even on the same label at the time. I got Definitely Maybe when it came out. Like everyone reckons they did but actually didn’t. It really only took off on the back of its follow-up. It’s ok, I think Colombia is comfortably the best thing they’ve done, but it was like a homage to previous Manchester acts with a bit of pub rock hoyed in. By the time they really took off with What’s the Story….the were already like a parody of themselves. I still like The Stone Roses debut but Tony Wilson was right about The Happy Mondays being more interesting. I think Squire is a cool guitarist though. He’s right about The Score and The Miseducation… some great stuff and a lot of filler. And Killing Me Softly is a like for like cover. There was a fantastic jungle (DJ Hype?) mix of Ready or Not though. The Who are overrated full stop. Cream did a few good tracks and lots of shit and most of it is horribly dated. And Clapton got much worse later in his career and agree he’s a gargantuan cunt. Eminem had already peaked and I can barely listen to any of his stuff these days without cringing myself inside out. Cum on Everybody is my favourite one of his as it’s basically a catchy block party hip hop tune. I like The Beatles but that’s not their best either. Although A Day in the Life is great imo. And I have a mate who fucking loves Zappa. I appreciate his talent and some of his live shows are worth a watch, when he wasn’t taking himself too seriously. Amazing musician but nah, you’re alright. Edited January 23 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10430 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: @Alex @spongebob toonpants How many of these do you own? (Am on 5 ) https://neilk.substack.com/p/the-ten-most-overrated-albums-in-pop-history-2447055f20e3 Only have Endtroducing. I like it, so he can shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: @Alex @spongebob toonpants How many of these do you own? (Am on 5 ) https://neilk.substack.com/p/the-ten-most-overrated-albums-in-pop-history-2447055f20e3 I'm on 2, and I would still argue for Screamadelica. I'll admit to being taken in by Oasis at the start, but in my defence I did see them early on. A friend of mine was on the same label so I used to get free tickets. My most rock and roll anecdote was when I got a call from her one afternoo saying she was drinking in the Ship in Wardour Street and I should head over. When I turned up there was Noel and Liam Gallagher and Bobby Gillespie in the round. Didn't drive home that night 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16523 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: I'm on 2, and I would still argue for Screamadelica. I'll admit to being taken in by Oasis at the start, but in my defence I did see them early on. A friend of mine was on the same label so I used to get free tickets. My most rock and roll anecdote was when I got a call from her one afternoo saying she was drinking in the Ship in Wardour Street and I should head over. When I turned up there was Noel and Liam Gallagher and Bobby Gillespie in the round. Didn't drive home that night 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31592 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: I'm on 2, and I would still argue for Screamadelica. I'll admit to being taken in by Oasis at the start, but in my defence I did see them early on. A friend of mine was on the same label so I used to get free tickets. My most rock and roll anecdote was when I got a call from her one afternoo saying she was drinking in the Ship in Wardour Street and I should head over. When I turned up there was Noel and Liam Gallagher and Bobby Gillespie in the round. Didn't drive home that night Faaar more impressed with you meeting Sarah Cracknell if that was you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, PaddockLad said: Sadly all my excitement was in the last century. Feels like it happened to someone else. I have trouble believing some of my own stories even though I was there when they happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Howmanheyman said: Faaar more impressed with you meeting Sarah Cracknell if that was you? She was the friend in question 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20421 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Alex said: I’ve started following his podcast but haven’t started it yet due to having almost waded through the huge Talking Sopranos one, with its hours long 90-odd episodes. That piece is superb though. I lived and fucking love(d) the 90s and it continues to boil my piss about the way it’s presented compared to what it was really like. Mainly because things like the Britpop stuff masks the actual good stuff from back then. But I don’t think I’ve quite seen my feelings on it articulated so brilliantly. Cheers for that. Hard to disagree on most of that. Britpop wasn't a musical movement. No way would I lump Suede as Britpop and they were supposed to be the founders of it. Pulp ditto, as he points out. Don't know how you could have a "Battle of the Bands" between Blur and Oasis when they are nothing like of each other and both shit, especially the latter imo. Why weren't the Stone Roses Brit Pop, why weren't Radiohead? Manics? It's a load of manufactured bollocks. That said, as you allude to, it doesn't stope the feeling the 90s had its own ziegiest and music was part of that, fondly remembered, the best days of my life, as is the case for most people (meaning their 20s). We also had Keegan and NUFC, the fall of Thatcher, genuine renewal in Newcastle, fall of Berlin wall (just before), optimism. Also that said, music journalists, like critics of films or food, sports writers, or anything else, fuck me off sometimes. Easy to snipe behind the pen but what the fuck have they actually done? Jo Wylie may have contributed zilch, but has this Neil Kurkani either? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3854 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Renton said: but has this Neil Kurkani either? He's been a pretty much lone voice for British Asians in the music industry if nothing else If you listen to the chartmusic podcast I guarantee you'd see him in a positive light 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34093 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Renton said: Hard to disagree on most of that. Britpop wasn't a musical movement. No way would I lump Suede as Britpop and they were supposed to be the founders of it. Pulp ditto, as he points out. Don't know how you could have a "Battle of the Bands" between Blur and Oasis when they are nothing like of each other and both shit, especially the latter imo. Why weren't the Stone Roses Brit Pop, why weren't Radiohead? Manics? It's a load of manufactured bollocks. That said, as you allude to, it doesn't stope the feeling the 90s had its own ziegiest and music was part of that, fondly remembered, the best days of my life, as is the case for most people (meaning their 20s). We also had Keegan and NUFC, the fall of Thatcher, genuine renewal in Newcastle, fall of Berlin wall (just before), optimism. Also that said, music journalists, like critics of films or food, sports writers, or anything else, fuck me off sometimes. Easy to snipe behind the pen but what the fuck have they actually done? Jo Wylie may have contributed zilch, but has this Neil Kurkani either? I can distinctly remember me and about 5 mates watching the tv when there was a piece on the news about Blur v Oadis and the race for number 1 (think Blur won with Country House?) and not one of us gave a shit. And we were all young lads at the time. Total manufactured bollocks, like you say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16523 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Tbf Kulkarni whether you agree with him or like him suffers from the same disadvantage as all critics … if you’re paid to come up with an opinion on something you absolutely will come up with something to say, and therein lies the problem for me. Some of it sounds forced, and it absolutely is all completely subjective. If you listen to the pod the hatred most of them (all bar the host Al are ex MM) have for the NME journalists who in the 90s went straight from the NME to the BBC in some way or other is fuckin visceral and it undoubtedly drove some of NK’s content as the Britpop article illustrates. Edited January 23 by PaddockLad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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