The Fish 10856 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, wolfy said: You appear to be jammed so far up your own arse and can't stop rolling rolling rolling. I'm typing on a football forum to someone called Fish. that's it. Are you anything more special? Do you have hangers on that will give their UNCONDITIONAL love for you? Say the man who dismisses evidence because it doesn't scan with his worldview I'm not anonymous, I've met people from this board and my name isn't a closely guarded secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Fish said: He's saying if you stay away in protest, you're a plastic fan. Only those who attend regardless of circumstance are "true fans". And as the arbiter of what does and doesn't count as real, he should know. Being a plastic fan would be if you stayed away when the team went down or something. It's not the same as staying away through point of principle because of the running of the club. Obviously it does mean that you don't unconditionally support the club though. Therefore, being a true fan does not equal being an unconditional fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, The Fish said: Say the man who dismisses evidence because it doesn't scan with his worldview I'm not anonymous, I've met people from this board and my name isn't a closely guarded secret. I'm not interested whether you are anonymous or not. It makes no difference to me. You're getting told regardless. It's not all one way you know. You can't have it all your own way with all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, wolfy said: I'm saying that any supporter who supports a club with conditions attached is not a unconditional supporter. Pretty self explanatory to be fair. You also get people professing to be fans who are basically plastics or fair weather supporters/fans. You know, stuff like that. I get it, but I don't think staying away to send a message to club hierarchy that the club should be better and more ambitious makes you a plastic fan. I agree it makes you a conditional supporter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: Being a plastic fan would be if you stayed away when the team went down or something. It's not the same as staying away through point of principle because of the running of the club. Obviously it does mean that you don't unconditionally support the club though. Therefore, being a true fan does not equal being an unconditional fan. Personally, I'd say being an "unconditional fan" is contrary to being a "true fan". It suggests an apathy I don't associate with being a fan. "The owner renames the stadium "FUCKYOUGEORDIES ARENA, sells the best players for buttons, sacks the likeable manager and calls all attending fans muggy cunts? Don't care, I love my club unconditionally." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Being a plastic fan would be if you stayed away when the team went down or something. It's not the same as staying away through point of principle because of the running of the club. Obviously it does mean that you don't unconditionally support the club though. Therefore, being a true fan does not equal being an unconditional fan. If a person refuses to go to a game after initially being a fan just because an owner comes in who they don't like, then think about it this way. How long has Ashley been in charge of the club? Now imagine a so called supporter/fan staying away because of Ashley. A true supporter/fan? A plastic? Or a conditional supporter? You're either a fan and supporter of the CLUB unconditionally or you're not. Simple as that. It shouldn't hinge on personnel. Edited August 17, 2017 by wolfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: I get it, but I don't think staying away to send a message to club hierarchy that the club should be better and more ambitious makes you a plastic fan. I agree it makes you a conditional supporter though. Well that's basically it. What determines a plastic though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Fish said: Personally, I'd say being an "unconditional fan" is contrary to being a "true fan". It suggests an apathy I don't associate with being a fan. "The owner renames the stadium "FUCKYOUGEORDIES ARENA, sells the best players for buttons, sacks the likeable manager and calls all attending fans muggy cunts? Don't care, I love my club unconditionally." Hall and Shepherd basically did just that with the fans and the lasses. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, wolfy said: I'm not interested whether you are anonymous or not. It makes no difference to me. You're getting told regardless. It's not all one way you know. You can't have it all your own way with all people. What are you talking about you moron? I'm getting told what? What isn't all what way? How am I having anything my own way? If I were having it my own way, you'd be shot into space by a nuclear powered launch contraption so that your dying exclamation would be "Ohhhh nooooo! The Fish was riiiiiiiiiiight!", while you pass an astronaut flipping you off as he fixes the ISS and you drift off into the abyss of interstellar space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, The Fish said: What are you talking about you moron? I'm getting told what? What isn't all what way? How am I having anything my own way? If I were having it my own way, you'd be shot into space by a nuclear powered launch contraption so that your dying exclamation would be "Ohhhh nooooo! The Fish was riiiiiiiiiiight!", while you pass an astronaut flipping you off as he fixes the ISS and you drift off into the abyss of interstellar space. You're just babbling for the sake of it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, wolfy said: Hall and Shepherd basically did just that with the fans and the lasses. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, wolfy said: You're just babbling for the sake of it now. Answer the questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Apparently NASA use unconditional fans to cool their satellites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, The Fish said: Quite simple. Any fans who stayed away because of that and waited for the day they left would have flocked back on the Ashley bandwagon with Keegan and what not. Even happy to lose Allardyce for the messiah. The game changes and those fans are now back to professing their undying love for the club that they've supported through thick and thin, until Ashley makes a mess of it, then back to square one. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Fish said: Answer the questions. You didn't pose any. You basically just scratched your own bollocks and sniffed your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 tell me you've never done that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: tell me you've never done that I'm telling you that I've never done it whilst typing to Fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15524 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You can't prove your bollocks are round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1244 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The question seems not to be what is and isn't unconditional, but rather what is a supporter. By Wolfy's definition it seems to be someone who attends every match. Whilst I can revel in the superfan status he's thrust upon me, it's clearly nonsense as the club has many supporters who don't go to matches regularly for whatever reason. To me it's pretty obvious that you can support the club/team without going to games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 some right wankers go to the match every week tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, David Kelly said: The question seems not to be what is and isn't unconditional, but rather what is a supporter. By Wolfy's definition it seems to be someone who attends every match. Whilst I can revel in the superfan status he's thrust upon me, it's clearly nonsense as the club has many supporters who don't go to matches regularly for whatever reason. To me it's pretty obvious that you can support the club/team without going to games. Not at all. It's got nothing to do with who goes to matches on a regular basis or not at all. It's about the mindset of the person in how they choose to put conditions to their support or not. A fan that puts zero conditions to his/her support and basically accepts what the club does from week to week, even if they hate what's happening, is an unconditional supporter/fan. A fan that places conditions on how and when they will support a club or be a fan is not a true unconditional fan/supporter no matter which way it's looked at. It can also be thought of as being plastic but that's open to question as to how conditional applications go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) There are fanatical Newcastle fans in many countries who can't get to games and maybe hope to sneak in a game when the club possibly tour. Some fanatics may never get to see Newcastle United live but they might have every mug, T-shirt or match shirt, etc. That's a fan and supporter of the club, without being a turnstile participant. If they choose to be fanatical and aid in buying merchandise and also choose to stick by the club even when the club is in dire mess or run like shite or dropping down the leagues like a malfunctioning lift, without using an excuse of " oh, I'll wait till the owner's gone before I take notice again" or " I'll wait till the club come back up before I start to get back into it"... then that person can be classed as an unconditional supporter/fan. Any fan that applies any stipulation to their loyalty as a fan in terms of direct refusal to support in whatever way, is a conditional support. Ity doesn't necessarily mean a plastic but then again my whole thought process started without that in mind. I just ribbed trooper with that bit. A plastic fan in my eyes is a fan that literally chooses when to be a fan regardless of what's happening if it's not a successful looking set up. A bit like many Man Utd fans and Man City, etc, not to mention some London clubs fans. The prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind. Edited August 17, 2017 by wolfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, wolfy said: It makes you a conditional fan if you choose not to go. You cannot claim to be a thick and thin supporter from this point on if you decide not to support your club because of personnel, no matter who they are. Simple as that. You may not have been anything other than a true fan/supporter from 1974 up until present. If you now choose to alter that unconditional stance then you will be known as the fan who used to support the club through thick and thin and all the rest of it. Now, you are about to turn into a bit of a plastic, so make your choice. I do support the club i dont support the person who owns & i havent just decided not to go i haven't been to SJP since he owned it if you read what i wrote you really are a 24 carat pilliock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 8/16/2017 at 2:19 PM, The Fish said: Look, this is pointless. You're too narrow minded to have a conversation with. 2 Ahem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33169 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 By Wolfy's definition I've been a plastic fan in the past and may be again. If it was anyone other than Wolfy I'd get a bit miffed and put him right but it's Wolfy so fuck that. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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