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2 hours ago, The Fish said:
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Not attending and being a fan aren't mutually exclusive. 

I never said they were.

I mentioned conditional and unconditional support.

 

2 hours ago, The Fish said:
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There will be Newcastle fan who don't have a problem with Ashley, but live away from the region and so cannot attend although they'd like to.

It has nothing to do with any fan living anywhere who cannot make games, whether scarcely or at all.

It's to do with fans who CAN and DO support the club but who decide not to support the club until such and such changes or ( in this case) Ashley vacates.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, The Fish said:

 

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And there will be fans who love the club passionately, who used to go home and away for decades, but cannot stomach the way Ashley runs the club and so don't go. 

Which is exactly what I'm talking about in terms of fans being conditional.

 

 

2 hours ago, The Fish said:
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Then there will be a bloke who got into football because Tony Blair headed a ball at Keegan, he goes every other week because it gets him out the house, he turns up totally unaware of who Newcastle are playing and where they are in the league.

Then he's not a fan.

 

 

2 hours ago, The Fish said:

But Wolfy has declared the latter is the true fan :lol:

Absolutely not.

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"Not attending and being a fan aren't mutually exclusive. "

 

"I never said they were."

 

3 hours ago, wolfy said:

If you intend being a Newcastle United fan/supporter for the rest of your life then you are doing it unconditionally.

If, like you mention, that you will give it a rest until Ashley goes, it means you are supporting the club with conditions attached.

You're quite entitled to do that of course but when things pick up and good times come, I just hope you aren't one of those that pipe up with, " aye, I was there through thick and thin and stayed loyal despite some really bad times under different owners."

Because the truth would be entirely different and basically makes you a plastic fan to be fair.

I hope what I'm saying to you will dissuade you from taking that path of the plastic fan and you remain true to the club as a fan/supporter.

 

Stick that up yer Ice Dome and smoke it, you Big Billy Bullshitter.

 

You don't have to attend to be a fan, and staying away as a protest doesn't revoke your standing as a fan either. 

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2 hours ago, trooper said:

@wolfy Get stuffed plastic fan you cheeky twat i've been going to SJP since 1974 the fact i wont go while Ashley's  there doesnt make me a plastic fan 

It makes you a conditional fan if you choose not to go.

You cannot claim to be a thick and thin supporter from this point on if you decide not to support your club because of personnel, no matter who they are.

Simple as that.

You may not have been anything other than a true fan/supporter from 1974 up until present.

If you now choose to alter that unconditional stance then you will be known as the fan who used to support the club through thick and thin and all the rest of it.

Now, you are about to turn into a bit of a plastic, so make your choice.

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2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

"Not attending and being a fan aren't mutually exclusive. "

 

"I never said they were."

 

 

Stick that up yer Ice Dome and smoke it, you Big Billy Bullshitter.

 

You don't have to attend to be a fan, and staying away as a protest doesn't revoke your standing as a fan either. 

Understand what unconditional and conditional means and get back to me Mr twister bollocks. 

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Just now, wolfy said:

It makes you a conditional fan if you choose not to go.

You cannot claim to be a thick and thin supporter from this point on if you decide not to support your club because of personnel, no matter who they are.

Simple as that.

You may not have been anything other than a true fan/supporter from 1974 up until present.

If you now choose to alter that unconditional stance then you will be known as the fan who used to support the club through thick and thin and all the rest of it.

Now, you are about to turn into a bit of a plastic, so make your choice.

 

Who the fuck are you to make that statement?

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Just now, wolfy said:

Understand what unconditional and conditional means and get back to me Mr twister bollocks. 

I understand fully. You're declaring if someone stays away in protest, they're now a plastic fan. 

 

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Just now, wolfy said:

I'm me and I've just made it.

You're nothing but a contrarian cowardly cunt. Now that people have stopped humouring your Ice Dome bullshit, your highly offensive stance on disasters and your ludicrous claims about science, you've decided to try and rankle us on the football side of things.

 

 

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Just now, The Fish said:

I understand fully. You're declaring if someone stays away in protest, they're now a plastic fan. 

 

A person who decides when to support a club dependent on conditions is a plastic.

They may not have been beforehand but to me, this is a bandwagon jumping issue more than anything else.

Trooper is weakening, most probably due to peer pressure of other plastics.

 

Either support your club through thick and thin or don't.

If you decide not to for reasons of people running it or working within it, then you are a conditional supporter.

Look past it all and simply support your CLUB because it's the club that stays a club even after the vacation of personnel throughout the years. This makes you an unconditional supporter.

 

That's basically it.

Feel free to argue it but the stance stays the same.

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Just now, wolfy said:

A person who decides when to support a club dependent on conditions is a plastic.

They may not have been beforehand but to me, this is a bandwagon jumping issue more than anything else.

Trooper is weakening, most probably due to peer pressure of other plastics.

 

Either support your club through thick and thin or don't.

If you decide not to for reasons of people running it or working within it, then you are a conditional supporter.

Look past it all and simply support your CLUB because it's the club that stays a club even after the vacation of personnel throughout the years. This makes you an unconditional supporter.

 

That's basically it.

Feel free to argue it but the stance stays the same.

 

Just because that's your definition of what makes a fan plastic or not, doesn't make it reality. Just like you declaring evidence as illegitimate doesn't make it so. 

 

Good to know your arrogance knows no bounds though. Makes dismissing your contrarian bullshit so much easier.

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4 minutes ago, The Fish said:
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You're nothing but a contrarian cowardly cunt.

Calm down fluffy.

 

4 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Now that people have stopped humouring your Ice Dome bullshit, your highly offensive stance on disasters and your ludicrous claims about science, you've decided to try and rankle us on the football side of things.

 

 

Rankle us?

You people do this for fun for those that you can get to bite. 

The problem you have is, you came up against someone who doesn't suffer your crap and you're getting frustrated.

Cry all you want.

Go and tell the teacher. :razz:

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Just now, The Fish said:

 

Just because that's your definition of what makes a fan plastic or not, doesn't make it reality. Just like you declaring evidence as illegitimate doesn't make it so. 

 

Good to know your arrogance knows no bounds though. Makes dismissing your contrarian bullshit so much easier.

My arrogance is my stance against your arrogance.

Tit for tat and you don't like it.

Chill out or you'll end up damping down.

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2 minutes ago, wolfy said:

Calm down fluffy.

 

Rankle us?

You people do this for fun for those that you can get to bite. 

The problem you have is, you came up against someone who doesn't suffer your crap and you're getting frustrated.

Cry all you want.

Go and tell the teacher. :razz:

:lol: 

 

You are a contrarian, you are cowardly and you patently are a cunt.

 

That doesn't frustrate me, it barely interests me, but I'm at a loose end at the minute so I don't mind telling you that your opinions are worthless, and you're arrogance is pathetic.

Just now, wolfy said:

My arrogance is my stance against your arrogance.

Tit for tat and you don't like it.

Chill out or you'll end up damping down.

 

No sir, you arrogance came first and eclipses even mine. 

 

You're trying to be the arbiter of what counts as a true fan and what counts as a plastic. Who the fuck are you? Some anonymous internet troll. You don't get to declare who is or isn't a "true fan".

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Just now, The Fish said:

:lol: 

 

You are a contrarian, you are cowardly and you patently are a cunt.

 

That doesn't frustrate me, it barely interests me, but I'm at a loose end at the minute so I don't mind telling you that your opinions are worthless, and you're arrogance is pathetic.

Of course you're at a loose end. You're bored and you can play with wolfy for a bit. I know, I know, I know.

My opinions are worth lots to me and your opinions are worthless.

Same thing really because your opinions are worth the world to you.

See how it works?

:razz:

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Just now, wolfy said:

Of course you're at a loose end. You're bored and you can play with wolfy for a bit. I know, I know, I know.

My opinions are worth lots to me and your opinions are worthless.

Same thing really because your opinions are worth the world to you.

See how it works?

:razz:

 

People ask for my opinion, people challenge and question my opinion, people listen to a podcast to hear my opinion, people engage with me on twitter to discuss my opinion.

 

You proffer your contrarian opinion unbidden, you dismiss others without due respect. You cower behind anonymity and would better benefit society if you were howling your bile into a bucket of your own shit.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Rayvin said:

Is Wolfy saying he will unconditionally support the club, and that this makes him a true supporter? You shouldn't unconditionally support anything.

He's saying if you stay away in protest, you're a plastic fan. Only those who attend regardless of circumstance are "true fans".

 

And as the arbiter of what does and doesn't count as real, he should know.

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2 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

People ask for my opinion, people challenge and question my opinion, people listen to a podcast to hear my opinion, people engage with me on twitter to discuss my opinion.

 

You proffer your contrarian opinion unbidden, you dismiss others without due respect. You cower behind anonymity and would better benefit society if you were howling your bile into a bucket of your own shit.

 

 

You appear to be jammed so far up your own arse and can't stop rolling rolling rolling.

I'm typing on a football forum to someone called Fish. that's it.  Are you anything more special?

Do you have hangers on that will give their UNCONDITIONAL love for you? :D

 

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3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Is Wolfy saying he will unconditionally support the club, and that this makes him a true supporter? You shouldn't unconditionally support anything.

I'm saying that any supporter who supports a club with conditions attached is not a unconditional supporter. Pretty self explanatory to be fair.

You also get people professing to be fans who are basically plastics or fair weather supporters/fans.

 

You know, stuff like that.

 

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