Renton 21993 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: Social media has a large part to play, but also don’t discount decades of Tory rule and culture. When I was on the rigs, is really hit home how much of a generational divide there was in selfishness and political outlook. My generation and the lads older than me were overwhelmingly left leaning, to varying degrees. The younger lads, 40 odd and below, were almost exclusively a pack of cunts Obsessed with money and property, very much “Fuck you, I’m alright Jack!” when discussing shared workspace ( e.g.plumbers working below us - they’ll be there for 4 shifts, we’d be there for 3, they’d kick off if they were stood down in favour of us ( unless they had an old school gaffer) constantly whining about immigration and taxes. The societal selfishness has been there a long time now, it’s ingrained in so many working class lads that it’s depressing, social media has just made it easier to see. Your work CV is quite the thing! MF: "Did I mention the time I was an underwater diver on the jovian moon of Europa?" "Ahh, yeah, that was when I Scarlett Johansson's personal anus cleaner (she was a stander btw....)" Me: 25 years sitting at a desk. Edited November 7 by Renton 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5296 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 17 minutes ago, Renton said: Trouble is, I haven't heard you say anything remotely tangible or concrete. In my ideal world, focussing on the UK, I would go for much, much closer integration witht the EU, with the UK joining the 4 freedoms as a matter of urgency. I would like us to join the EU, then the euro, and then the EU to become completely fedarlised with Brussels as the capital and major regional capitals like London in a hub and spoke model. Together as a cohesive unit the EU could stand against the tyranny of the US, China, and Russia. I'd pool our defences and use our nuclear deterrent as an umbrella protection for the continent, along with the French. There would be no place for NATO, although Canada and Turkey could become associate members. I would also unfortunately deregulate in some key areas relating to technology and commerce to make us more competitive with the US, but protect individual rights. I'd ban US and Chinese social media platforms and have more closely EU regulated ones as an alternative. I'd... I'd... And there I am typing horseshit. I live in the real World. In the real World, even the first of my solutions is not politically possible. We're an island off the coast of a diminishing economic super power on one side and an ascendent authoritarian super power some way off on the other. And because we are part of neither, we are pretty much in a doom loop at this stage. But history tells us, things will one day change. We just have to wait for that day. I understand the view but it just feels like weakness to me to let events happen to us and hope for the best. Like we've given up and absolve ourselves of it by trying to rationalise that it was all impossible to start with. It's never going to get better if we take that view, why would it? At best, it can stop getting worse briefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9943 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 40 minutes ago, ewerk said: If Vance is the planned successor then they’re fucked. People liked Trump and Farage because they’re ‘genuine’. Vance is awkward and polished looking. Look at Bernie Sanders and AOC, the left like them because they’re genuine but unfortunately too genuine for the mainstream. Evidently, Thiel donated $1 million to Trump to ensure his VP pick was Vance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9943 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35573 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Well at least I’ve got this place as a haven from all the noise about Trump. Oh…shit 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21993 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Brilliant. Gemmill would love that if he hadn't left the thread. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43067 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 18 minutes ago, Renton said: Your work CV is quite the thing! MF: "Did I mention the time I was an underwater diver on the jovian moon of Europa?" "Ahh, yeah, that was when I Scarlett Johansson's personal anus cleaner (she was a stander btw....)" Me: 25 years sitting at a desk. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31199 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 13 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Evidently, Thiel donated $1 million to Trump to ensure his VP pick was Vance. Thiel didn't donate to Trump this time around AFAIA. And even if he did $1m wouldn't be nearly enough to secure a VP pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9943 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 18 minutes ago, ewerk said: Thiel didn't donate to Trump this time around AFAIA. And even if he did $1m wouldn't be nearly enough to secure a VP pick. Just something I read a while back, this would tend to support your assertion, but at same time Theil/Vance are close https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/07/16/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21993 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Jusat listening to some of my economics podcasts. If the US public hate inflation, they are in for a shock. "Returning" 11 million immigrants currently doing low paid work and introducing unilateral tariffs on imports will be massively inflationary. Also tax cuts expected will raise 7 TRILLION dollars on the US debt. I'm hearing the word "insane" from a lot of these economists. Oh aye, we will get "spill over" consequences here in the UK due to uncertainty, meaning today's interest cut is the last one you can expect for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10376 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 hours ago, Toonpack said: "Shut up and say 'praise be' before you get me chinned you little cunt." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 4 hours ago, Rayvin said: I was just thinking about how I've (amongst others) been asked to come up with policy, strategy and solution to the current situation we find ourselves in - and I suppose for those who've pushed back on the thoughts I had, what do you lot think we should be doing then? Given that the Democrats were just annihilated doing what you think they should do, what is your answer? The left should stop trying to appease or appeal to the right wing. Stand for something, whether you can deliver on the dream or not. Plenty of shit wrong with Corbyn, but at least I knew where he stood before the election, I can't say the same for Starmer. My vote for was 100% a "Not a fucking Tory", it wasn't pro Labour, not really. Be bold, call out the ridiculous claims of the right, for sure, but actually stand for some socialist policies. Promise to tax the fuck out of the 0.1%, Robin Hood the utility companies, put a meaningful cap on essentials like gas, electric, water, public transport, childcare, food. Promise to revolutionise the license fee. Promise to cut University places, but make those that remain cost nothing to those who need help. Promise to put more money into vocational courses and apprenticeships. Promise to draw random hearts on people's dream journals. All that good shit. Then, when you win, look down the barrel of the camera and scream "Ahhhhh chinny reckon" and do whatever the fuck you want. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43067 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 4 hours ago, The Fish said: Ahhhhh chinny reckon Is this a peculiarity of the Blyth dialect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17649 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Yes, it’s that woman again @Gemmill She predicted the current state of affairs 3 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5296 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, The Fish said: The left should stop trying to appease or appeal to the right wing. Stand for something, whether you can deliver on the dream or not. Plenty of shit wrong with Corbyn, but at least I knew where he stood before the election, I can't say the same for Starmer. My vote for was 100% a "Not a fucking Tory", it wasn't pro Labour, not really. Be bold, call out the ridiculous claims of the right, for sure, but actually stand for some socialist policies. Promise to tax the fuck out of the 0.1%, Robin Hood the utility companies, put a meaningful cap on essentials like gas, electric, water, public transport, childcare, food. Promise to revolutionise the license fee. Promise to cut University places, but make those that remain cost nothing to those who need help. Promise to put more money into vocational courses and apprenticeships. Promise to draw random hearts on people's dream journals. All that good shit. Then, when you win, look down the barrel of the camera and scream "Ahhhhh chinny reckon" and do whatever the fuck you want. I mean I agree. Completely. Welcome to Project Naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4825 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 3 hours ago, Renton said: Jusat listening to some of my economics podcasts. You need a fucking hobby. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 44 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Yes, it’s that woman again @Gemmill She predicted the current state of affairs 3 years ago Now is not the time for masturbation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17649 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: Now is not the time for masturbation. If you read her books you’d be as clever as me… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 39 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: If you read her books and had a partial lobotomy you’d be as clever as me… Is that so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17649 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 18 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Is that so? Try and be nice please Mystic Meg. Times are going to be very hard for our chums across the pond 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 its hard to even begin to put in to words how terrifying this is, even living in Texas which has always been Trumnpistan to a certain extent, this just feels different, it feels like someone or something has died. I'm not sure what I'm more fearful of, having to live here or the thought of being deported. I've lived here 14 years now and a green card holder due to marriage, I didn't pull the trigger on citizenship due to the sense that my UK passport might one day be my get out of jail card. I'm not sure if its a blessing or a curse. I'm now wondering what will happen to the long term safety of my job, with Musk on board I could see them winding down NASA in favour of SpaceX, at very least maybe making that loon the NASA administrator, it feels like something that might be sacrificed which just adds to the horrific sense of doom. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11560 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 12 hours ago, Renton said: "Returning" 11 million immigrants Just on that point, how is that going to happen. Their countries possibly (probably) won't want to take them back. What's the plan in that case? Internment camps or US planes landing in foreign sovereign countries, leaving thousands of people on the runway and leaving again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 You're the one for me, Fashy. Woke up with that in my head. Headline writers the world over are weeping at the missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 7 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Try and be nice please Mystic Meg. Times are going to be very hard for our chums across the pond 😬 I can't read that cos a) I'm not on twitter and b) I'm currently contractually obliged to ignore all of this shit, but if it's that bad maybe the stupid cunts will learn their lesson this time. Probably not though eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9943 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 When they work out killing is cheaper .............................. https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3lafjnyip7i2a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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