Donald Trump

[Rayvin 5889]

Have been mulling all of this over a bit and I state that I've arrived at a change of heart on my position on whether to vote or not vote for Labour in future based on my principles - I think in normal circumstances that's fair enough to do, and I'd stand by it - but given where we are right now, if Farage is on the ticket at our next GE, I'll vote for whoever the fuck is mostly likely to win otherwise, irrespective of what they stand for. I'd say the same should go in all Western countries - we have to defeat this cancer, get to a period of normality, and then put up safeguards.

 

Aside from that, who's up for Germany re-militarising? Assuming they can hold off the AFD.

 

We should just end any significant ties with the US. Traitors and liars. Under Trump they're just another Russia.

[Toonpack 11155]

He's in awe of Putin (and in his pocket). It's like the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact with Ukraine playing the role of Poland, we (Europe) can't let it happen.

 

Trump's a Putin wannabe, the noise around Canada, Greenland and Panama is more than noise IMO, if he thinks he can getaway with it he'll try it.

 

The US is no longer an ally and probably could be considered hostile.

[Rayvin 5889]

I'm starting to see people suggest that Canada joins the EU. Not sure it would ever happen but apparently the US administration has made clear to the Canadians that Trump's threat to make them the 51st(?) state are very real.

 

So yes, agreed - hostile.

[Renton 23447]

9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I'm starting to see people suggest that Canada joins the EU. Not sure it would ever happen but apparently the US administration has made clear to the Canadians that Trump's threat to make them the 51st(?) state are very real.

 

So yes, agreed - hostile.

 

I made that suggestion on here a while back and since then I've noticed many other people suggest it. Not straight forward though, a major factor in trading is economic gravity, you can't physically shift where Canada is so it will always be the case most their trade will be with the US, even if that does involve tariffs. Incidentally this economic fundamental was seemingly too high a concept for the Brexiter gammons to get their heads around.

 

The West has fallen, it has been decapitated. The World is being divided along 4 lines - the US, China, Russia and Brics, and the EU. The first three of those are authoritarian, a mix of communism and outright fascism. The fight in Europe is now to preserve liberal democracy. I would like to invite Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to that party. Maybe being in the commonwealth will count for something after all.  

 

We need to wake up, expel as much US influence as possible from our economies. It will be hard. But we are a collection of rich, educated, enlightened countries. We can do this. 

[Dazzler 11458]

It’s ironic that the whole push towards trump was based on being terrified of globalisation and a one world government yet these lunatics are trying to push out leaders in favour of their mates so that they can all rule the world as a collective.

[Rayvin 5889]

6 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

I made that suggestion on here a while back and since then I've noticed many other people suggest it. Not straight forward though, a major factor in trading is economic gravity, you can't physically shift where Canada is so it will always be the case most their trade will be with the US, even if that does involve tariffs. Incidentally this economic fundamental was seemingly too high a concept for the Brexiter gammons to get their heads around.

 

The West has fallen, it has been decapitated. The World is being divided along 4 lines - the US, China, Russia and Brics, and the EU. The first three of those are authoritarian, a mix of communism and outright fascism. The fight in Europe is now to preserve liberal democracy. I would like to invite Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to that party. Maybe being in the commonwealth will count for something after all.  

 

We need to wake up, expel as much US influence as possible from our economies. It will be hard. But we are a collection of rich, educated, enlightened countries. We can do this. 

 

I'm wondering if we can normalise elsewhere too mind.. China has been throwing out signals to the EU that they're ready to fill the US shaped void in our lives.

[Renton 23447]

Also forgot to add, the post war rules based order also appears to be dead. NATO, the UN, the WHO, USAID. This is probably the biggest threat. Honestly don't know how we can come back from that. Sometimes you have no choice but to see how things play out. 

[Rayvin 5889]

2 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

It’s ironic that the whole push towards trump was based on being terrified of globalisation and a one world government yet these lunatics are trying to push out leaders in favour of their mates so that they can all rule the world as a collective.

 

Aye, strange that isn't it  I had a convo with some right wing twat the other day, suggested to him that joining a federal EU was a safer answer in uncertain times than going it alone. He refused point blank because doing so would usher in 'one world government'. Instead, he suggested, we could join the US as a state. Which is apparently completely different.

[Renton 23447]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

I'm wondering if we can normalise elsewhere too mind.. China has been throwing out signals to the EU that they're ready to fill the US shaped void in our lives.

 

I've thought about that too. I genuinely fear the Chinese less than the US at this point. I would build up trade with them at the expense of American trade. In this case physical separation will be a good thing, but they can buy our services and we their EVs. They will become the dominant super power, see how the US likes those apples. Bad news for Taiwan mind. 

[Rayvin 5889]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

I've thought about that too. I genuinely fear the Chinese less than the US at this point. I would build up trade with them at the expense of American trade. In this case physical separation will be a good thing, but they can buy our services and we their EVs. They will become the dominant super power, see how the US likes those apples. Bad news for Taiwan mind. 

 

Someone on reddit made the point that while in terms of principles the EU and China are quite far apart, the one thing China offers that the US doesn't is reliability. China will view us as trading partners and customers, and can therefore be relied upon to treat us... as trading partners and customers. That's a relationship that can be clearly defined and understood. The relationship we have with the US at the moment, is nothing remotely close to being as stable as that.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4217]

Lads calm down, the caldera in the US is going to blow just in time to wipe out 70% of the world’s population. At least it won’t leave nuclear fallout behind and we can build back better.

[Alex 36543]

1 minute ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Lads calm down, the caldera in the US is going to blow just in time to wipe out 70% of the world’s population. At least it won’t leave nuclear fallout behind and we can build back better.

You see, lads? There is always a positive even when all looks lost. 

[sammynb 3869]

15 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I'm wondering if we can normalise elsewhere too mind.. China has been throwing out signals to the EU that they're ready to fill the US shaped void in our lives.

 

Problem with China is they want to own everywhere themselves. THe Pacific Islands are a classic example with their new Silk Road objective. Financially have nations over a barrel and then insist on setting up military facilities in lieu of payment. Have enough facilities in the area and it's no different to a physical invasion, without the conflict.

 

General question and the last few days have me questioning some things.

How do we feel about Saudi and most likely PiF being complicit with Russia and the US talks, also the rumours that they are a recent and huge investor with the Witkoff Group?

Does it matter that these are the owners of NUFC?

Edited Wednesday at 09:32 by sammynb

[Rayvin 5889]

2 minutes ago, sammynb said:

 

Problem with China is they want to own everywhere themselves. THe Pacific Islands are a classic example with their new Silk Road objective. Financially have nations over a barrel and then insist on setting up military facilities in lieu of payment. Have enough facilities in the area and it's no different to a physical invasion, without the conflict.

 

General question and the last few days have me questioning some things.

How do we feel about Saudi and most likely PiF being complicit with Russia and the US talks, also the rumours that they are a recent and huge investor with the Witkoff Group?

Does it matter that these are the owners of NUFC?

 

On the first bit.. isn't that exactly what the US did post WW2? Which isn't to say it's right, but just that we accepted it last time around.

 

Saudi handling the talks I'm not too fussed by since apparently they did want Ukraine to attend but were shut down by the other two. I think they're as powerless as the rest of us really.

[ewerk 32821]

Aye, up until recently I thought the Saudis were the good GUYS.

[Meenzer 16303]

19 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Lads calm down, the caldera in the US is going to blow just in time to wipe out 70% of the world’s population. At least it won’t leave nuclear fallout behind and we can build back better.

 

Yes please

 

[sammynb 3869]

5 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

On the first bit.. isn't that exactly what the US did post WW2? Which isn't to say it's right, but just that we accepted it last time around.

 

Saudi handling the talks I'm not too fussed by since apparently they did want Ukraine to attend but were shut down by the other two. I think they're as powerless as the rest of us really.

 

Not financially like China but yes they set up bases as part of the Allied forces in the Pacific - lets be honest, regardless of what the film/TV industry would have you think, the US did not give a fuck about Europe/WWII, even facism, until Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Japanese/Axis forces, so it isn't any real surprise that they are easily able to turn their backs upon the rest of the world 90 years later.

Silk Road plan is more like someone buying your mortgage out from under you and then building their bus stop in your front room at the same time blocking your driveway so you can only catch their bus to their shop to owe them more.

[PaddockLad 18795]

If Trump stops the elites in the USA from earning someone will pop a cap in his ass  

 

[sammynb 3869]

12 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Saudi handling the talks I'm not too fussed by since apparently they did want Ukraine to attend but were shut down by the other two. I think they're as powerless as the rest of us really.

 

Did they? No problem with them investing in the US representatives development firm?

 

13 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Aye, up until recently I thought the Saudis were the good GUYS.

 

I've always been of thought that regardless of whether I agree with SA's culture and their beliefs, what they do in their own country, is their right but when it comes to them being complicit in the current fall of democracy in the Ukraine and potentially in many other places, is that not a step too far? Where do you draw the line?

Or fuck it, does it all fall apart because people are inherently apathetic?

[Monkeys Fist 44848]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

we have to defeat this cancer, get to a period of normality, and then put up safeguards.

There’s only really one safeguard that would be effective
Trump Farage, that Argentinian prick and all the other right wing Muppets only there because they are Putin’s bitches

 

The problem is Putin

He needs to be removed from power

You won’t do it voluntarily because if he did with a matter of hours, he’d find himself losing his balance very close to 10 story window. 
 

The Western intelligence agencies of Europe need to grow a set and take him out

[sammynb 3869]

Just now, Monkeys Fist said:

There’s only really one safeguard that would be effective
Trump Farage, that Argentinian prick and all the other right wing Muppets only there because they are Putin’s bitches

 

The problem is Putin

He needs to be removed from power

You won’t do it voluntarily because if he did with a matter of hours, he’d find himself losing his balance very close to 10 story window. 
 

The Western intelligence agencies of Europe need to grow a set and take him out

 

See Brasil has some balls and actually have charged Bolsonaro for his coup attempt after losing the election.

TBH this is all Biden's fault, cunt could have had the orange one tried and locked up for treason but chose not to.

[wykikitoon 22494]

Well isn't this joyous reading this morning. 

[Meenzer 16303]

Unrelatedly, I have a new desk toy.

 

[Rayvin 5889]

57 minutes ago, sammynb said:

 

Not financially like China but yes they set up bases as part of the Allied forces in the Pacific - lets be honest, regardless of what the film/TV industry would have you think, the US did not give a fuck about Europe/WWII, even facism, until Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Japanese/Axis forces, so it isn't any real surprise that they are easily able to turn their backs upon the rest of the world 90 years later.

Silk Road plan is more like someone buying your mortgage out from under you and then building their bus stop in your front room at the same time blocking your driveway so you can only catch their bus to their shop to owe them more.

 

Fair, and agree on the US view on Europe.

[Rayvin 5889]

51 minutes ago, sammynb said:

 

Did they? No problem with them investing in the US representatives development firm?

 

 

I've always been of thought that regardless of whether I agree with SA's culture and their beliefs, what they do in their own country, is their right but when it comes to them being complicit in the current fall of democracy in the Ukraine and potentially in many other places, is that not a step too far? Where do you draw the line?

Or fuck it, does it all fall apart because people are inherently apathetic?

 

Supposedly though I'm only seeing it in select press outlets, such as Ukrainian ones: https://kyivindependent.com/saudi-arabia-wanted-ukraine-represented-at-us-russia-talks-bloomberg-reports/

 

I'm not familiar with that firm you've mentioned so have no current view. What does it do?

 

On the last bit - we have to pick our battles here, we can't just go in hard on everything. Actually tbh, maybe some people can - but I can't. I'm only able to focus on the really egregious stuff now or I just end up doomscrolling all day.