Donald Trump

[Renton 21287]

13 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Social media has a large part to play, but also don’t discount decades of Tory rule and culture. 
When I was on the rigs, is really hit home how much of a generational divide there was in selfishness and political outlook. 
 

My generation and the lads older than me were overwhelmingly left leaning, to varying degrees. 
 

The younger lads, 40 odd and below, were almost exclusively a pack of cunts 

 

Obsessed with money and property, very much “Fuck you, I’m alright Jack!” when discussing shared workspace ( e.g.plumbers working below us - they’ll be there for 4 shifts, we’d be there for 3, they’d kick off if they were stood down in favour of us ( unless they had an old school gaffer) constantly whining about immigration and taxes. 
 

The societal selfishness has been there a long time now, it’s ingrained in so many working class lads that it’s depressing, social media has just made it easier to see. 

 

Your work CV is quite the thing!

 

MF:

 

"Did I mention the time I was an underwater diver on the jovian moon of Europa?"

 

"Ahh, yeah, that was when I Scarlett Johansson's personal anus cleaner (she was a stander btw....)"

 

Me:

 

25 years sitting at a desk. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Renton

[Rayvin 5176]

17 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Trouble is, I  haven't heard you say anything remotely tangible or concrete. 

In my ideal world, focussing on the UK, I would go for much, much closer integration witht the EU, with the UK joining the 4 freedoms as a matter of urgency. I would like us to join the EU, then the euro, and then the EU to become completely fedarlised with Brussels as the capital and major regional capitals like London in a hub and spoke model. Together as a cohesive unit the EU could stand against the tyranny of the US, China, and Russia. I'd pool our defences and use our nuclear deterrent as an umbrella protection for the continent, along with the French. There would be no place for NATO, although Canada and Turkey could become associate members. 

I would also unfortunately deregulate in some key areas relating to technology and commerce to make us more competitive with the US, but protect individual rights. I'd ban US and Chinese social media platforms and have more closely EU regulated ones as an alternative. I'd... I'd...

 

And there I am typing horseshit. I live in the real World. In the real World, even the first of my solutions is not politically possible. We're an island off the coast of a diminishing economic super power on one side and an ascendent authoritarian super power some way off on the other. And because we are part of neither, we are pretty much in a doom loop at this stage. But history tells us, things will one day change. We just have to wait for that day. 

 

I understand the view but it just feels like weakness to me to let events happen to us and hope for the best. Like we've given up and absolve ourselves of it by trying to rationalise that it was all impossible to start with.

 

It's never going to get better if we take that view, why would it? At best, it can stop getting worse briefly.

[Toonpack 9226]

40 minutes ago, ewerk said:

If Vance is the planned successor then they’re fucked. People liked Trump and Farage because they’re ‘genuine’. Vance is awkward and polished looking. Look at Bernie Sanders and AOC, the left like them because they’re genuine but unfortunately too genuine for the mainstream.

Evidently, Thiel donated $1 million to Trump to ensure his VP pick was Vance.

[Toonpack 9226]

[Alex 34834]

Well at least I’ve got this place as a haven from all the noise about Trump. Oh…shit 

[Renton 21287]

3 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Brilliant. Gemmill would love that if he hadn't left the thread.

[Monkeys Fist 42058]

18 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Your work CV is quite the thing!

 

MF:

 

"Did I mention the time I was an underwater diver on the jovian moon of Europa?"

 

"Ahh, yeah, that was when I Scarlett Johansson's personal anus cleaner (she was a stander btw....)"

 

Me:

 

25 years sitting at a desk. 

 

[ewerk 30257]

13 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

Evidently, Thiel donated $1 million to Trump to ensure his VP pick was Vance.

 

Thiel didn't donate to Trump this time around AFAIA. And even if he did $1m wouldn't be nearly enough to secure a VP pick.

[Toonpack 9226]

18 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Thiel didn't donate to Trump this time around AFAIA. And even if he did $1m wouldn't be nearly enough to secure a VP pick.

Just something I read a while back, this would tend to support your assertion, but at same time Theil/Vance are close

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/07/16/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/

 

 

[Renton 21287]

Jusat listening to some of my economics podcasts. If the US public hate inflation, they are in for a shock. "Returning" 11 million immigrants currently doing low paid work and introducing unilateral tariffs on imports will be massively inflationary. Also tax cuts expected will raise 7 TRILLION dollars on the US debt. I'm hearing the word "insane" from a lot of these economists. 

Oh aye, we will get "spill over" consequences here in the UK due to uncertainty, meaning today's interest cut is the last one you can expect for a long time. 

[Dazzler 9400]

2 hours ago, Toonpack said:

"Shut up and say 'praise be' before you get me chinned you little cunt."

[The Fish 10721]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

I was just thinking about how I've (amongst others) been asked to come up with policy, strategy and solution to the current situation we find ourselves in - and I suppose for those who've pushed back on the thoughts I had, what do you lot think we should be doing then? Given that the Democrats were just annihilated doing what you think they should do, what is your answer?

 

The left should stop trying to appease or appeal to the right wing. Stand for something, whether you can deliver on the dream or not. Plenty of shit wrong with Corbyn, but at least I knew where he stood before the election, I can't say the same for Starmer. My vote for was 100% a "Not a fucking Tory", it wasn't pro Labour, not really.

 

Be bold, call out the ridiculous claims of the right, for sure, but actually stand for some socialist policies. Promise to tax the fuck out of the 0.1%, Robin Hood the utility companies, put a meaningful cap on essentials like gas, electric, water, public transport, childcare, food. Promise to revolutionise the license fee. Promise to cut University places, but make those that remain cost nothing to those who need help. Promise to put more money into vocational courses and apprenticeships. Promise to draw random hearts on people's dream journals. 

 

All that good shit. 

 

Then, when you win, look down the barrel of the camera and scream "Ahhhhh chinny reckon" and do whatever the fuck you want.

[Monkeys Fist 42058]

17 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Ahhhhh chinny reckon

I this a peculiarity of the Blyth dialect? 

[PaddockLad 17079]

Yes, it’s that woman again @Gemmill  

 

She predicted the current state of affairs 3 years ago

 

 

[Rayvin 5176]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

 

The left should stop trying to appease or appeal to the right wing. Stand for something, whether you can deliver on the dream or not. Plenty of shit wrong with Corbyn, but at least I knew where he stood before the election, I can't say the same for Starmer. My vote for was 100% a "Not a fucking Tory", it wasn't pro Labour, not really.

 

Be bold, call out the ridiculous claims of the right, for sure, but actually stand for some socialist policies. Promise to tax the fuck out of the 0.1%, Robin Hood the utility companies, put a meaningful cap on essentials like gas, electric, water, public transport, childcare, food. Promise to revolutionise the license fee. Promise to cut University places, but make those that remain cost nothing to those who need help. Promise to put more money into vocational courses and apprenticeships. Promise to draw random hearts on people's dream journals. 

 

All that good shit. 

 

Then, when you win, look down the barrel of the camera and scream "Ahhhhh chinny reckon" and do whatever the fuck you want.

 

I mean I agree. Completely. Welcome to Project Naive.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

3 hours ago, Renton said:

Jusat listening to some of my economics podcasts.

  You need a fucking hobby. 
 

 

[Gemmill 44360]

44 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Yes, it’s that woman again @Gemmill  

 

She predicted the current state of affairs 3 years ago

 

 

 

Now is not the time for masturbation.