Donald Trump

[spongebob toonpants 3943]

5 hours ago, Renton said:

 

Have to get a dig in on Labour I see. 

Literally none of you, SB, or Rayvin have said what the Democrats could do differently other than some vague notion of turning the US into a socialist republic which is obviously impossible and really just batshit. 

The voting population of the US are living in a post truth post morality world now. The electorate is debased. I honestly can't see any solution to that now, other than they will have to go down the route of fascism until they wake up. But then, the country is the only hegemonic superpower left, it's not like any other country can stop them either. 

 

Incumbents run on their record. Biden promised to forgive student loan debt and to raisethe min wage to $15/hr. He did neither, then the Dems cuddled up to Liz Cheney to win over Republicans.

They also got sucked into fighting on Republican territory, immigration trans rights etc again sucking up to Republican voters who are never voting for them.

 

What should they have done differently. Keep your promises that affect the people you want to vote for you and campaign on medicare and abortion 

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[ewerk 30240]

8 hours ago, Renton said:

 

The Senate the Republicans have control of? There is literally nothing to stop Trump doing what he wants now. There's not even anybody to temper his madness. 

I don’t think it’ll be as straightforward as that and will be a good indication of just where the Republican Party is at. RFK is obviously batshit crazy and most Republican senators know that. Many have just been returned for six years which means they’ll outlast Trump. It’ll be interesting to see whether any have the balls to stand up for what is right. The GOP only have a tiny majority so it only takes a couple to cause a problem then it’s up to Trump to decide whether it’s worth the battle.

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6 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

I was laughed out of the thread a week or so ago for saying we needed left wing equivalents of people like Tate.

Like a 2015 Russell Brand? But without the rapiness.

[NJS 4371]

2 hours ago, spongebob toonpants said:

 

Incumbents run on their record. Biden promised to forgive student loan debt and to raisethe min wage to $15/hr. He did neither, then the Dems cuddled up to Liz Cheney to win over Republicans.

They also got sucked into fighting on Republican territory, immigration trans rights etc again sucking up to Republican voters who are never voting for them.

 

What should they have done differently. Keep your promises that affect the people you want to vote for you and campaign on medicare and abortion 

Exactly. I said in 2016 that Trump went to the mining communities in West Virginia and told them he'd help them - complete bullshit but at least he went whereas Clinton basically told them they were fucked. 

 

The Dem elite see their stock portfolios gain and celebrate GDP growth as if it means something (as labour will) but the proverbial man in the street who's struggling just sees no hope or change. 

[Toonpack 9211]

https://www.popehat.com/p/and-yet-it-moves

 

Long read

[wykikitoon 19878]

10 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

https://www.popehat.com/p/and-yet-it-moves

 

Long read

 

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The Rest is History and Fall of Civilizations, and I couldn’t help but notice that for most of history everything usually sucked.

Wars! Banditry! Plagues! Famine! Nothing resembling justice! Oppression! Frequent cruelty and death! Brutality as the unquestioned norm!

 

Stopped reading after this.

 

 

[Toonpack 9211]

8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

 

Stopped reading after this.

 

 

 

Why?? That just reads like a tour guide for Yorkshire

[Renton 21270]

1 hour ago, NJS said:

Exactly. I said in 2016 that Trump went to the mining communities in West Virginia and told them he'd help them - complete bullshit but at least he went whereas Clinton basically told them they were fucked. 

 

The Dem elite see their stock portfolios gain and celebrate GDP growth as if it means something (as labour will) but the proverbial man in the street who's struggling just sees no hope or change. 

 

 

4 hours ago, spongebob toonpants said:

 

Incumbents run on their record. Biden promised to forgive student loan debt and to raisethe min wage to $15/hr. He did neither, then the Dems cuddled up to Liz Cheney to win over Republicans.

They also got sucked into fighting on Republican territory, immigration trans rights etc again sucking up to Republican voters who are never voting for them.

 

What should they have done differently. Keep your promises that affect the people you want to vote for you and campaign on medicare and abortion 

 

There are always things parties promise out of power and fail to deliver. I'm not going to check what Biden did and did not deliver, but I've noticed a tendency from sceptics here to cherry pick the data. What did Trump fail to deliver last time round? The US economy has boomed duirng their administration whilst the rest of the World stagnated. The US is once again establishing dominance over the EU and China. Average salary figures are truly shocking - in 2008 the UK had a higher median salary than the US, now we are 50% lower. Biden also introduced huge capital industrial expenditure (inflation reduction act, promoting green energy) the type of which you would normally support.  I also know that measure to reduce immigration on the Southern border were deliberately sabotaged by the Republicans. This is what they do and you ignore it.

 

Post covid the US has had a cost of living crisis along with the rest of the World. People were negativley affected. There is also a housing crisis, as there is here, Australia and Canada. In the rest of the World, we knew it was a global problem. Americans are insular and were easily manipulated by Trump to blame this on immigrants. Trump and the republicans lied and lied and lied to the US public, who because many are inherently racist, lapped it up. And you blame the result on the democrats. Yes, they under performed, but this is not fundamentally a problem with the democrats. It signals something much deeper and malignant. 

 

 

Edited 6 minutes ago by Renton