Renton 21263 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 47 minutes ago, Rayvin said: One other thought on all this - the EU needs to federalise. We cannot waste any more time on the USA, the only reason any of us even care about this is because of how it fucks up the wider Western civilisation. I mean that was our civilisation to start with anyway, and the US can't be trusted to lead it anymore. Europe urgently needs to grow a pair. And we need to get the fuck back into it. I firmly believe a federal EU would be approximately as strong as the US anyway. A federal Europe would be my dream too. Most people don't want that though. We didn't even want ot be in the EU as it is, a lot of Brits would genuinely prefer to be the 51st State. Never got the love affair personally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3939 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago On 22/09/2020 at 11:38, spongebob toonpants said: Quote If the Dems don't sweep this election, give Puerto Rico and Washington statehood and pack the Supreme Court, then USA election going forward will be about as fair as Russia's This is what I said the Democrats should do if they won a trifecta in the last election, they won, they didn't and look where they are now Starmer is now in the same position of strength, he can do whatever he wants. We won't be in this position again. Now is the time to sort Brexit, windfall tax the fuck put of billionaires and actually do something. Its literally now or never 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9205 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 6 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: On 22/09/2020 at 11:38, spongebob toonpants said: Starmer is now in the same position of strength, he can do whatever he wants. We won't be in this position again. Now is the time to sort Brexit, windfall tax the fuck put of billionaires and actually do something. Its literally now or never But, but, but, the rules, fair play and all that, slow and steady it’s the British way. Meanwhile the cuntiest cunts are sprinting 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 20 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: On 22/09/2020 at 11:38, spongebob toonpants said: This is what I said the Democrats should do if they won a trifecta in the last election, they won, they didn't and look where they are now Starmer is now in the same position of strength, he can do whatever he wants. We won't be in this position again. Now is the time to sort Brexit, windfall tax the fuck put of billionaires and actually do something. Its literally now or never Fair play for that. Personally I'm massively uncomfortable with using small majorities to fix democracy in your favour, but I see the logic in sinking to your opponents level. Shows the system is broken, even though its a written constitution. Talking of which, not only does Trump have the trifecta, the supreme court and the popular vote mandate, he now has no democrat opponent and crucially nobody in his own party to stop him doing literally anything he wants. He has no excuses, nobody to blame for stopping him like last time. The only slight bit of hope that brings is he owns his own performance. So aye, he needs to deport 12 million people ASAP and give Putin Ukraine tomorrow. Edited 6 hours ago by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4106 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Well good to see you've all taken this really well Will be sure to give a heads up when the shit hits the fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9732 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Lest not forget. It is all Gemmill‘s fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9205 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9388 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 53 minutes ago, Toonpack said: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9205 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago @Renton It begins, this is going to be mental 😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6986 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago I'm not having this "most incredible and biggest win ever" shite btw. 139million votes cast and less then 5million splitting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3939 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: I'm not having this "most incredible and biggest win ever" shite btw. 139million votes cast and less then 5million splitting them. Last time the Republicans won the popular vote was 2004. Before that it was 1988. Its a pretty big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4370 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago The dems lost 14m votes from 2020. They gained no "moderate" republicans. It's a shitshow. They learned nothing from 2016 and imo only won last time because of Covid. I find the fact that what lead Harris did have was reduced after the political geniuses of Jonathan Ainsworth and other Labour bigwigs went to advise them absolutely hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30237 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Toonpack said: @Renton It begins, this is going to be mental 😂😂😂 He needs Senate approval. Even with Trump’s influence I still don’t see it as straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 34 minutes ago, ewerk said: He needs Senate approval. Even with Trump’s influence I still don’t see it as straightforward. The Senate the Republicans have control of? There is literally nothing to stop Trump doing what he wants now. There's not even anybody to temper his madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 39 minutes ago, NJS said: The dems lost 14m votes from 2020. They gained no "moderate" republicans. It's a shitshow. They learned nothing from 2016 and imo only won last time because of Covid. I find the fact that what lead Harris did have was reduced after the political geniuses of Jonathan Ainsworth and other Labour bigwigs went to advise them absolutely hilarious. Have to get a dig in on Labour I see. Literally none of you, SB, or Rayvin have said what the Democrats could do differently other than some vague notion of turning the US into a socialist republic which is obviously impossible and really just batshit. The voting population of the US are living in a post truth post morality world now. The electorate is debased. I honestly can't see any solution to that now, other than they will have to go down the route of fascism until they wake up. But then, the country is the only hegemonic superpower left, it's not like any other country can stop them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 5175 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 43 minutes ago, Renton said: Have to get a dig in on Labour I see. Literally none of you, SB, or Rayvin have said what the Democrats could do differently other than some vague notion of turning the US into a socialist republic which is obviously impossible and really just batshit. The voting population of the US are living in a post truth post morality world now. The electorate is debased. I honestly can't see any solution to that now, other than they will have to go down the route of fascism until they wake up. But then, the country is the only hegemonic superpower left, it's not like any other country can stop them I have said often enough that genuine and radical change is needed. Doesnt have to be socialist, but needs to truthfully address the issues. They need a vision towards a better future that aims to address the real challenges people face with what now needs to be quite serious change. This has been my position with Labour for years. This whole centrist "careful now" strategy is starting to seriously cost us. I just saw the numbers on young people btw. 56% of men under 29 chose Trump. 56%!!! Incels amirite? It was 41% last time. He also improved, god help me, with young women! (40% compared to 33% last time). What we are doing, is categorically not working. It just isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted 54 minutes ago Share Posted 54 minutes ago Also seems like some 10m Dem voters stayed home compared to last time? I saw that mentioned at least, haven't verified it. Amazing campaign though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted 20 minutes ago Share Posted 20 minutes ago 22 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Also seems like some 10m Dem voters stayed home compared to last time? I saw that mentioned at least, haven't verified it. Amazing campaign though. Completely ineffective campaign, clearly. The demographic numbers are horrendous. I just don't know how you counter Trumpism. He's Teflon, literally bullet proof. Half the country have no morals. They don't care he's a liar, sociopath and rapist. Hispanics don't care he is racist. Women ignore his misogyny. His obvious mental decline, no problem for him, that only applies to Biden. I could go on. I don't know how you counter that. Would Sanders have won? I personally really don't think so. Most likely the Overton window in America will swing even further right as the country descends ever closer to outright fascism. I'm worried about two things. The direct impact on the UK and Europe. Trade, economy, security, Ukraine. But much more, the spread of contagion. And I don't know how it can be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted 13 minutes ago Share Posted 13 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, Renton said: Completely ineffective campaign, clearly. The demographic numbers are horrendous. I just don't know how you counter Trumpism. He's Teflon, literally bullet proof. Half the country have no morals. They don't care he's a liar, sociopath and rapist. Hispanics don't care he is racist. Women ignore his misogyny. His obvious mental decline, no problem for him, that only applies to Biden. I could go on. I don't know how you counter that. Would Sanders have won? I personally really don't think so. Most likely the Overton window in America will swing even further right as the country descends ever closer to outright fascism. I'm worried about two things. The direct impact on the UK and Europe. Trade, economy, security, Ukraine. But much more, the spread of contagion. And I don't know how it can be stopped. Sanders isn't the answer either and in fairness I don't think any one single person is. This isn't just a Trump victory, its a win for all the social media dude bros, Musk, Bannon, and more. He didn't solo this, he has a whole toxic movement that supports him. We do not have an equivalent. I was laughed out of the thread a week or so ago for saying we needed left wing equivalents of people like Tate. I know I'm right about that, because those battlegrounds for the heart and soul of young people are completely uncontested by decent people. Our campaigning is lazy and refuses to tackle the real issues. Trump isn't wrong that people hate the establishment. They do. I do. Self serving wankers who stifle meaningful change. Trump is obviously one of them, and will do nothing to combat them, but that's what he feeds on. The establishment, left and right, has failed. Collectively, across many strong actors, it needs to be overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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