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Toonpack 9399 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Am not usually one for conspiracies, but saw a video taken from the crowd behind the podium, Secret Service guy pushes along "move the photographers to the stairs" second later "bang bang" !! Wouldn't put it past the grifting rapey cunt. Oh and yesterday, did he go and visit his supporters wounded in the "attack", nope, he went and played golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Toonpack said: Am not usually one for conspiracies, but saw a video taken from the crowd behind the podium, Secret Service guy pushes along "move the photographers to the stairs" second later "bang bang" !! Wouldn't put it past the grifting rapey cunt. Oh and yesterday, did he go and visit his supporters wounded in the "attack", nope, he went and played golf. Aye I saw that, well weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 There's no way it wasn't a genuine assassination attempt. The cover up is basically impossible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Aye but question is from which side. We really need it to be a right wing gun nut style actor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 It doesn't matter what side the shooter is from. He could have turned up in a Trump 2024 t shirt, a MAGA hat, and have a social media history full of pro-Trump content, and they'd still claim it was done on Biden's orders. As it stands, it sounds like he's just a fucked up kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/15/democrats-joe-biden-maga?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other I've seen a LOT of this in twitter accounts I follow. People who you think are reasonable people on the Democrat side who have fully lost it since the debate. People that now react like MAGA people to any criticism of Biden. It's all very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17252 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: It doesn't matter what side the shooter is from. He could have turned up in a Trump 2024 t shirt, a MAGA hat, and have a social media history full of pro-Trump content, and they'd still claim it was done on Biden's orders. As it stands, it sounds like he's just a fucked up kid. Yes. The biggest factor in the long history of political violence in the US is (surprise surprise) easy access to firearms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 26 minutes ago, Gemmill said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/15/democrats-joe-biden-maga?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other I've seen a LOT of this in twitter accounts I follow. People who you think are reasonable people on the Democrat side who have fully lost it since the debate. People that now react like MAGA people to any criticism of Biden. It's all very weird. You only need to look at the Corbyn devotees and their hatred of Starmer, etc to see it can happen here too. Presumably those people want problems like child poverty tackled but they’re still obsessed with a bloke that hasn’t got a snowball in hell’s chance of ever being in power 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9743 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Alex said: You only need to look at the Corbyn devotees and their hatred of Starmer, etc to see it can happen here too. Presumably those people want problems like child poverty tackled but they’re still obsessed with a bloke that hasn’t got a snowball in hell’s chance of ever being in power Reform too. It’s cult like behaviour and it’s weird. Political affiliations are becoming personality traits and it’s fucking bizarre. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, Dazzler said: Reform too. It’s cult like behaviour and it’s weird. Political affiliations are becoming personality traits and it’s fucking bizarre. And fucking pathetic. I blame social media, echo-chambers and spurious reports compounding dumb fucking opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Secret Docs case thrown out by Trump’s appointed judge, it’ll be appealed but yet more delay. US is sooooo fucked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 has anyone got a spare room? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42418 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 34 minutes ago, Jimbo said: has anyone got a spare room? Depends. Is your lass coming too? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 hours ago, Alex said: You only need to look at the Corbyn devotees and their hatred of Starmer, etc to see it can happen here too. Presumably those people want problems like child poverty tackled but they’re still obsessed with a bloke that hasn’t got a snowball in hell’s chance of ever being in power Just to paint an opposing view here - Biden is a centrist who most ardent left wingers have criticised since the start for not being radical enough. He's an American Starmer. So while I respect the point about Corbyn, I actually see a lot of the pro-Starmer devotion in what is being said in this article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2964 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Every camera angle synced. https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfu ck/comments/1e3v06c/plenty_of_time_to_stop_the_threat_synced_video/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11263 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Better inside the tent pissing out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 7 hours ago, Rayvin said: Just to paint an opposing view here - Biden is a centrist who most ardent left wingers have criticised since the start for not being radical enough. He's an American Starmer. So while I respect the point about Corbyn, I actually see a lot of the pro-Starmer devotion in what is being said in this article. I guess I thought of Corbyn because the cult around him is leftist and British. Not sure I’ve seen cultism re: Starmer. Like Biden he’ll actually be judged in delivery though. Not what might’ve been. Without wishing to reopen the Corbyn thing, there seems to be a lot of people old enough to know better who are still devotees. I get that they may want the policies but they would honestly have him back as Labour leader tomorrow. 5 years after he lost to Johnson and blind to his very obvious failings imo. I honestly don’t see what these people think they’re hoping to achieve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 3 hours ago, Alex said: I guess I thought of Corbyn because the cult around him is leftist and British. Not sure I’ve seen cultism re: Starmer. Like Biden he’ll actually be judged in delivery though. Not what might’ve been. Without wishing to reopen the Corbyn thing, there seems to be a lot of people old enough to know better who are still devotees. I get that they may want the policies but they would honestly have him back as Labour leader tomorrow. 5 years after he lost to Johnson and blind to his very obvious failings imo. I honestly don’t see what these people think they’re hoping to achieve. People forget that when Corbyn took over Labour the centre desperately tried to tear him down. There was no united front, there were leadership challenges and gritted teeth. No different in my eyes to what we now see from the left concerning Starmer, though the left have been purged whereas the centre under Corbyn wasn't. What I'm trying to say with this is that people such as myself weren't devoted to Corbyn particularly for who he was, but because we genuinely do believe that significant and meaningful change is needed to actually avert a slow and miserable decline into the shit. Starmer may be more able to 'win' but he doesn't deliver what some of us believe is required. Same with Biden. So sometimes I look at all the Starmer devotees as people who are essentially survivors from an abusive relationship. They are so fearful of being forced back with their abuser that they cling to the safest option. Biden is the safe option for the US. The devil you know. His supporters just want to win, they don't care what they have to support to do so. It's more important to keep Trump out than to have the right person in - and that more than anything is the theme of the centre and the left right across the western world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3995 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 19 minutes ago, Rayvin said: but because we genuinely do believe that significant and meaningful change is needed to actually avert a slow and miserable decline into the shit. Exactly this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) The antisemitic cunt helped deliver Brexit is an equally valid take. Literally at least partially responsible for accelerating the decline. Absolutely incapable of doing anything and being happy / preferring to be radical from the safety of opposition is another 👍🏻 Edited July 16 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21615 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 46 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I look at all the Starmer devotees I don't think I know a single person who fits this description mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: People forget that when Corbyn took over Labour the centre desperately tried to tear him down. There was no united front, there were leadership challenges and gritted teeth. No different in my eyes to what we now see from the left concerning Starmer, though the left have been purged whereas the centre under Corbyn wasn't. What I'm trying to say with this is that people such as myself weren't devoted to Corbyn particularly for who he was, but because we genuinely do believe that significant and meaningful change is needed to actually avert a slow and miserable decline into the shit. Starmer may be more able to 'win' but he doesn't deliver what some of us believe is required. Same with Biden. So sometimes I look at all the Starmer devotees as people who are essentially survivors from an abusive relationship. They are so fearful of being forced back with their abuser that they cling to the safest option. Biden is the safe option for the US. The devil you know. His supporters just want to win, they don't care what they have to support to do so. It's more important to keep Trump out than to have the right person in - and that more than anything is the theme of the centre and the left right across the western world. Biden's Inflation Reduction Act was a transformational piece of legislation, which has used the green transition to create billions of dollars of inward investment and created thousands of skilled jobs across the country, which had previously been outsourced to China and elsewhere. I would love Starmer to be so bold with infrastructure spending, but I'm worried Rachel Reeves looks like a diet George Osborne. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm prepared to judge them on what they do now they're actually in power. You'd hope it's an improvement on the past 15 years. Edited July 16 by Dr Gloom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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