Dazzler 10371 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Ginolaandtonic said: The left obviously feels that it has good intentions but the consequences of labelling any criticism of anything involving Islam as right wing extremism directly led to the inability to deal with rape gangs in Britain. It also helped stoke the anti police sentiment around the time of the BLM riots which left policemen and civilians dead. It also is more likely to try and ban free speech and cancel people they disagree with. I’m not calling for that comedian to be banned I just think it’s unnecessarily provocative in a pointless way. I still hold that Trump’s policies of secure borders, limited military intervention and focus on American jobs (which I still maintain is infinitely less dangerous than the Bush/Blair years) is why people vote for him and all the rest is him being a tactless loudmouth and the press ramping it all up for clicks. Point 1 - You mean like the gang that fucking Tommy Robinson almost got acquitted by breaking the law reporting on it whilst it was still going on? Point 2 - So, we shouldn't expect the general public to want accountability from their police force? There is no anti-police sentiment - just people expect to be protected by the police. What about the civilians unlawfully killed as a result of police brutality? Do they not count? Point 3 - You're against the banning of free speech, but don't want comedians to say things you don't like? Seems about right. Point 4 - Trump won votes from angry, bitter idiots who thought Trump "tells it like it is", despite him being caught in numerous lies, back peddling on numerous policies and just being a downright racist child molester. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10371 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ginolaandtonic said: I’m bowing out of this now cause it’ll just cause a big old stink 💩 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5296 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ginolaandtonic said: The left obviously feels that it has good intentions but the consequences of labelling any criticism of anything involving Islam as right wing extremism directly led to the inability to deal with rape gangs in Britain. It also helped stoke the anti police sentiment around the time of the BLM riots which left policemen and civilians dead. It also is more likely to try and ban free speech and cancel people they disagree with. I’m not calling for that comedian to be banned I just think it’s unnecessarily provocative in a pointless way. I still hold that Trump’s policies of secure borders, limited military intervention and focus on American jobs (which I still maintain is infinitely less dangerous than the Bush/Blair years) is why people vote for him and all the rest is him being a tactless loudmouth and the press ramping it all up for clicks. I think we've moved off to the side a bit here with this now being a more general attack on the left rather than a focus on extremist violence. I assume you do acknowledge that extremist violence is a largely right wing phenomenon. As for what you've outlined, I think a lot of cancelling goes both ways personally - the right do all the same things they're just not as technologically savvy at the grassroots so tend to be less effective with it. Both sides try to shut each other down. Antifa was branded a terrorist organization if I recall? The police dragged off anti-monarchists during the coronation/funeral proceedings of the royals. Right wing US states are targeting CRT and other academic considerations in their overhaul of the education system. Moralising clampdowns on trans people, etc. Whether you agree with the US authorities in their approach to each case or not, we would have to acknowledge that they are censoring/cancelling things that most people would deem to be left wing. The difference tends to be, IMO, that the right is in power and so can cancel things officially. The actual/moderate left is never in power, so has to work from grassroots. The extent of the damage Trump has done really depends on your other political priorities and worldview, so while I acknowledge what you've outlined in your case for him, I do not agree that he was infinitely less dangerous simply because he sped up American hegemonic decline and created a power vacuum that has led to the widespread destabilisation of the geopolitical order. See also Brexit, but localised to Europe/Russia. From an internationalist outlook (mine), Trump was a disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4132 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, Ginolaandtonic said: I’m bowing out of this now cause it’ll just cause a big old stink 💩 Translation. I'm going to come out with a list of obvious lame right wing talking points then fuck off as they are undefendable and evaporate under the slightest logical analysis 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4132 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Quite like the username though 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10371 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: Translation. I'm going to come out with a list of obvious lame right wing talking points then fuck off as they are undefendable and evaporate under the slightest logical analysis "Enjoy this pipebomb lads I'm away to give my money away to hustlers university and call Tommy Robinson a freedom fighter on facebook" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35573 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Bowing out of spouting a load of pseudo-controversial cliched shite? Cry me a fucking river 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I like when peoples try to gift Trump some kind of Galaxy Brain intellect. The bloke is a fucking chancer and a grifter. Thick as fuck and a failed businessman. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2991 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 hours ago, Ginolaandtonic said: I’m bowing out of this now cause it’ll just cause a big old stink 💩 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35573 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 17/10/2023 at 14:48, The Fish said: I like when peoples try to gift Trump some kind of Galaxy Brain intellect. The bloke is a fucking chancer and a grifter. Thick as fuck and a failed businessman. And then you have his devotees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11556 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Alex said: And then you have his devotees Not sure what you mean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10371 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Alex said: And then you have his devotees 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9938 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) Sidney Powell, one of the orange moron's co-defendants in the Georgia criminal trial has just plead guilty. Seems most think it signals a plea deal and a "flip". Edited October 19, 2023 by Toonpack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43067 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Still not dead, then? sorry @RobinRobin, another false bump. The cheek of these people… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11556 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: Still not dead, then? sorry @RobinRobin, another false bump. The cheek of these people… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10371 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 6 hours ago, RobinRobin said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9938 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Another one pleads out guilty. Georgia's gonna do for him. (and whilst I share RobinRobin's yearning for his demise, NOT until he sees it all crumble and he is destroyed). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 She's 38 that Jenna Ellis. Went through law school, etc, and now her law career is over. All in the service of the idiot Trump. They deserve what they get but what fucking idiots. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4132 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gemmill said: She's 38 that Jenna Ellis. Went through law school, etc, and now her law career is over. All in the service of the idiot Trump. They deserve what they get but what fucking idiots. Its all about the grift 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9938 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Yeah but after her legal bills she's broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4132 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Yeah but after her legal bills she's broke She might have to move from Fox to CNN, but she'll be alright. I'm a Christian so I'm a Conservative on her twitter bio. Plenty of marks still available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46027 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 No right thinking news outlet should be paying someone that pled guilty to election fixing. But they probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11556 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Gemmill said: No right thinking news outlet should be paying someone that pled guilty to election fixing. But they probably will. There's the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11556 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Toonpack said: (and whilst I share RobinRobin's yearning for his demise, NOT until he sees it all crumble and he is destroyed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9897 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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