Rayvin 5188 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Apparently the bomber at the Stade De France had a ticket but was refused entry. Â That could have been absolutely horrific. Â Fuck... we'd have been talking about that for the rest of our lives if it had gone down... Â Why was he turned away? Presumably they didn't find the bomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Â Fuck... we'd have been talking about that for the rest of our lives if it had gone down... Â Why was he turned away? Presumably they didn't find the bomb? Â He was frisked and they found he was wearing an explosives vest. As he was backing away from security, he detonated it. Â http://www.wsj.com/articles/attacker-tried-to-enter-paris-stadium-but-was-turned-away-1447520571 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21404 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Apparently the bomber at the Stade De France had a ticket but was refused entry. Â That could have been absolutely horrific. What would have happened? Ran on the pitch and taken out some players live on TV? I think you could kill just as many fans near the turnstiles, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2953 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Nick was from Colchester. Â Â When anyone started running they would shoot them down. So we got down on the floor. I was afraid whenever I heard a step behind me... they machine-gunned everybody. Â Nick was in front of me when we were lying on the ground and somebody moved and they just turned round and started shooting us. Â His back was to me and I couldnt see what happened and I tried to keep him talking and then I tried to give him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and they [the gunmen] were just sort of in the shadows and they would shoot if anyone said anything. Â Then he couldnt breathe any more and I held him in my arms and told him I loved him. He was the love of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 What would have happened? Ran on the pitch and taken out some players live on TV? I think you could kill just as many fans near the turnstiles, if not more. Â Sat in the seat maybe but I can't relate to a deranged extremist so I really can't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21404 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Very good read. See I agree with this. But for me, he describes the West's interventions in the middle east as incompetence (as well as rank hypocrisy) rather than design. So I'm surprised you liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Hollande was at the match last night, maybe he was a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2953 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Hollande was at the match last night, maybe he was a target. Â I do not think he was the target but the culprits did want him to witness the horror himself firsthand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30385 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Turns out that the man who caused the Gatwick evacuation today with a discarded gun was French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7011 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Renton you're coming across as a bit of a tit today. Most people are trying to have a reasoned discussion on what's happened, what's contributed to it and what the future holds. You're just poking random people, being contrary and not having much of an opinion yourself. Chill out man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Reuters reporting there are heavily armed police surrounding the Pullman hotel in Paris and the Eiffel tower area is presently being evacuated. Hopefully this is all precautionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21404 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Renton you're coming across as a bit of a tit today. Most people are trying to have a reasoned discussion on what's happened, what's contributed to it and what the future holds. You're just poking random people, being contrary and not having much of an opinion yourself. Chill out man No, I'm really not poking random people, not even you. Where have I been contrary? And as you know, I do have an opinion to the cause of this, but admittedly no solutions. Do you have any? Â Again, I think you have a bit of a cheek personally to criticise me like this when your first response to this last night was to blame Cameron. I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Jason Burke is always good on this stuff. Wrote the definitive book on Al Qaeda  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/islamic-state-goes-global-paris-attacks?CMP=twt_a-world_b-gdnworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just to put some perspective back in here. :( Â https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153885227089893&set=a.10151158218589893.466517.516674892&type=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I just came back to post that myself, and yet can't find the words to explain how it made me feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2953 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Â Â Biked to the Bataclan to play "Imagine" Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Â Thoughts keep returning to the Hunter S Thomson piece 24 hours after 9/11. You keep hoping he can be proven wrong even while resigned to the fact he was as spot on as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Nick was from Colchester. Â Â Â Jesus, reading that was hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The world is fucked, isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Let's all extend the arm of humanity. Love will save us, the Beatles were right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2964 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Interesting that criticism of a religious belief is now racism. I'd love to hear the explanation for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7011 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's more applying a blanket opinion based on religion, or political belief as well as race. Like all Australians are convicts. Or all Muslims are potential terrorists and should be deported. There's a few articles out there discussing the evolution of the term 'racist' from its original usage solely dealing with a persons race to now incorporating the aforementioned elements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2964 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 So how does criticism of somebody's belief in an idea equate to racial bigotry? Â I can see how criticism of Aussies as convicts, or Kiwis as sheep shaggers, could be equated to racism if you're a massive pussy. Â What does the criticism of an idea have to do with racism? Or bigotry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2964 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's more applying a blanket opinion based on religion. Â Here. You can't apply blanket statements to religion? Can I question a religious person's ability to reason? Can I question a religious person's ability to act with sound morality? Can I discuss the likelihood of a death obsessed religion giving rise to a death cult? Are these taboo? Am I bigoted for questioning people's beliefs and what actions those beliefs are likely to manifest? Many liberals would make exactly that argument, which leads me to this: You chose to blame Western governments for terrorism first and foremost, yet, despite the popular Liberalist taboo against recognising the bleeding obvious, the fundamental cause remains as religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 So how does criticism of somebody's belief in an idea equate to racial bigotry? Â I can see how criticism of Aussies as convicts, or Kiwis as sheep shaggers, could be equated to racism if you're a massive pussy. Â What does the criticism of an idea have to do with racism? Or bigotry? It wasn't criticism of a belief that he thought was racist though, was it? It was the notion that we should close the borders to people fleeing ISIS because they're all potential terrorists. Â It's not even a nuanced difference it's clear as day. Criticism of religious dogma and persecution is brilliant and should be encouraged. Persecution of whole populations of people based on their religion or that of their leaders is heinous and SHOULD correctly be called out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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