Park Life 71 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) What are the arguments? Does anyone have strong opinions either way? Edited October 13, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I've always been in two minds - I think the size is a plus when considering dealing with big fish like China, India and the US and some of the social protection in the face of Tory abuse is worthwhile but it lacks democracy for me. I do think it would probably cost jobs overall if the UK withdrew - at least in the short/medium term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I find it extremely difficult to come to a decision. Lots of business for and against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33221 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I've always been in two minds - I think the size is a plus when considering dealing with big fish like China, India and the US and some of the social protection in the face of Tory abuse is worthwhile but it lacks democracy for me. I do think it would probably cost jobs overall if the UK withdrew - at least in the short/medium term. That's about it for me too, particularly the 'Tory abuse' bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 5223 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The EU is alright in my book - I enjoy the freedom of movement and the encouragement for blending cultures. It's a step towards a generally better vision for the world. That said, it also has the capacity to be hijacked and turned into something unpleasant. But hey, so does the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 We will stay in. Brits are far too risk averse to take a plunge into the unknown. Look at the recent referendums in Scotland and on the alternative vote. We will do for the devil we know. For what it's worth I agree with NJS. It should be more democratic but we're better off in the club where our voice can be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44881 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I wouldn't be so sure about us staying in. There are so many in this country obsessed with immigration, and if they can be convinced that leaving the EU will give us greater control over our borders, then we'll be leaving the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/the-eu-jobs-myth-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I didn't read the full article, just as I'm sure you didn't, but it appears to be a load of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) The job loss thing is nonsense and pure scaremongering. We run a huge deficit with the EU and Germany is our biggest trade partner no idea how anyone can site any argument that they would take out punitive tariffs or barriers against us. BMW and VW make cars in the UK ffs! Edited October 14, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The conclusion appears to be that the figure of 3-4 million job losses appears to be inaccurate. I don't think we needed a full report to tell us that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Why are Ireland in the EU anyway? Voted against it (Lisbon)and then a few years later got totally cleaned out by it. The only upside was Bono lost half his fortune in the building scams. Edited October 14, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/the-dirty-dozen-the-12-men-who-together-destroyed-our-economy-26798490.html Shortly after becoming Taoiseach, Mr Cowen presided over a series of unfortunate events. Among the disastrous decisions for which the Offaly politician will go down in history are the infamous 2008 bank guarantee, the January 2009 nationalisation of Anglo Irish Bank, and the ceding of Ireland's economic sovereignty to the EU, IMF and ECB in November 2010." Edited October 14, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The EU was the best thing ever to happen to Ireland. They milked that cow for many years until the expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Ireland joined the single currency in 1999. At the time it was enjoying healthy growth, fuelled by investment from high-tech multinationals such as Dell, Intel and Pfizer, attracted by Ireland’s low 12.5 percent rate of corporation tax. But after the Irish turned over their currency and their interest rates to the European Central Bank in Frankfurt, things began to change. The ECB insisted upon low interest rates for the eurozone to help the sluggish German economy. But what suited Germany was all wrong for Ireland, turning healthy growth into a debt-fuelled property mania. First the Euro-enthusiasts across the EU fostered the idea that, since all the members of eurozone shared a single currency and had promised to adhere to strict limits on debt and inflation, they were all equal in risk. This fiction led investors to imagine lending to Greece or Ireland was no more risky than lending to Germany or the Netherlands. So Irish banks were free to suck in billions from Asia and Europe. These billions - many of which came from the City of London - were what fuelled Ireland’s asset bubble. ECB policy made sure the money was lent on to Irish property speculators at real interest rates that were actually negative. So in 2007 Ireland built half as many houses as Britain, which has more than 13 times its population." Arse raped. Edited October 14, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Yeah but back then everyone was happy because they all had houses worth at least €5m. They still have the memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15530 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The "questions" in the initial post are a cute touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Where's the "shake it all about" voting option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBTGILyE_lQ Edited October 24, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedfernMag 0 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 I posted this in the politics thread, but it probably should of been in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 He makes good points reg the surplus and the Marshall plane etc,,,Not sure if it is in that vid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedfernMag 0 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 that vid came out yesterday, well worth watching the whole thing if you've not already seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Yeah it's good but a bit light. Generally the left have the wrong position on the Eu which resists reform and continues to advance the cause of Big Business. Varoufakis understands it more now only cause he's been in those meetings where his points were met with silence. Edited October 24, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedfernMag 0 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 light? compared to what passes as political discussion in the media these days I thought it wasn't too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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