Monroe Transfer 0 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Think I'd rather start Obertan now, over this charlatan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4251 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Aye but you only post when everything is bad forever and always I.D.S.T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21921 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Can we stop pretending we're masters of the French transfer market now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Can we stop pretending we're masters of the French transfer market now? But... Cabaye for £4m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6583 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Even his best bits on YouTube look shite. Shocking decision to replace him for Cabella especially as he had a years experience under his belt. This lad is starting form scratch and doesnt look upto at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Aye, think most feared it after Ant pointed out he was in that worst 11 side just before he signed for us. Waste of time from the looks of it, shame we didn't spend the money on a left back, striker or centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/10/newcastle-star-wants-to-leave-in-january-but-forced-to-wait-until-summer-french-reports/ Well that didn't last very long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7027 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 It's been a bizarre signing from day one, I think most people hoped Carr knew something no one else did about him. I'd rather have persevered with Cabella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I would have preferred to keep cabella. Creative players now are scapegoated a lot more instead of these shit workhorse players. Give him a run in the team and he'll be alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Aye agree with the posts above, Cabella had a season and we may have started to see something from him as he had a chance to get settled. Instead the club chucked him and got a lad who seems even more fragile (mentally at least) and have given him even less time to show anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Deal was bit odd, have to admit. But some of our fans...calling him shit and he should go back to France after a couple of poor performances from the entire team and he was scapegoated for being one of the few players who wanted to beat their man. Only had one real shocker imo vs Sheff Wed. Playing poorly is part and parcel of the game of football though, as much as we don't want it to be. He's young. Give him time. And I agree with the part of that article where it says we should have put him on vs Norwich when we were 5-2 up instead of vs Man City 6-1 down. Edited October 21, 2015 by Haydnator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I think it all depends on his attitude. If he doesnt want to be a success at the toon he can fuck off asap. If he puts the effort in, in training whether or not selected I would give him till the end of the season.....but mclaren needs to play him if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3355 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I think it all depends on his attitude. If he doesnt want to be a success at the toon he can fuck off asap. If he puts the effort in, in training whether or not selected I would give him till the end of the season.....but mclaren needs to play him if so. This. I don't get how someone could spend their life trying to excel at something and then at the first hurdle it's all too difficult and they want to return to where they came from. If you're good enough to have made to this level, would you not want to push yourself that bit extra? Mind you Sissoko is a classic example of someone who doesn't understand near enough is not good enough, regardless of what your agent tells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Think we're calling him shit because he was In ligue1s flops of the season team, and has been woeful thus far and in the past. I honestly can't believe we paid so much for him A season after being the best Ligue 1 young player... There's good player in him, it's up to himself & McClaren and his coaches to get it out of him. I hope this is speculation otherwise once again we see a player written off after a handful of appearances because they don't turn out to be a huge success straight away. The stick he has been given and the fact he has been singled out when others have gone largely unpunished is a joke and sums up everything wrong at this club right now (and yes that includes some sections of the fans - those who insist on searching high and low for a focus of their abuse). He has shown enough for me that he could be a good player for us, but he needs time and to be brought into games gently, vs Norwich when we were 5-2 up would have been a good opportunity. So much was put on him to be our saviour after the first game that I'm not surprised he is feeling the pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I saw more in Wayne Philips the South Shield's left sided midfield player against Chester le Street on Tuesday night than i've seen and probably will see in Thauvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I saw more in Wayne Philips the South Shield's left sided midfield player against Chester le Street on Tuesday night than i've seen and probably will see in Thauvin Canny wicket-keeper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Absolutely ridiculous to write him off so early. We've clearly been watching him for years so must have seen something in him. His signing has not been like that of Chucky last season where we've just seen an opportunity to get him cheap without knowing anything about him. That's not to say he will definitely be able to transfer the skills we saw from in France over to here, there's always a chance that won't happen. Of course he has to want to make it here but that's the same with every player. I'm convinced the talk of him being named in the worst eleven in France last season (or named the worst player as some seem to mistakingly believe) has led to people turning on him far sooner than would normally happen. The reality is in half the games he's played he's looked good and the other half he's looked bad. If some of our established players had done that well, we'd be in a better state than we currently are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I would hazard a guess that the worst XI is usually composed of relatively high profile promising and/or talented players who have under performed rather than being the worst 11 players in the league. Also, who picks it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) I would hazard a guess that the worst XI is usually composed of relatively high profile promising and/or talented players who have under performed rather than being the worst 11 players in the league. Also, who picks it?Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Those sorts of lists are always like that. I've no doubt there are other wingers in the French league who played as much as him and delivered less. But they will players who have never been lauded or moved for big transfer fees/wages. There are plenty of our fans gulible enough to just see it as a headline and lap it up. Edit: Having said that most of the eleven come from the bottom four teams and only Thauvin and Origi are players most of us have ever heard of. But those two were two of most lauded yougsters the previous season so I still think their incclusion is more based on unfulfilled ability rather than being shite. Edited October 22, 2015 by David Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 They hate him over there because of the Lille carry on though don't they? A bit like their Sterling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4748 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 it's based on their average ratings for the season in L'equipe, so no he was just consistently bad, there is a separate poll for "most overrated player of the season" Thauvin topped that as well though Aye but then Fekir is on that list which is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Aye but then Fekir is on that list which is stupid. stupid fekir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2979 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 it's based on their average ratings for the season in L'equipe, so no he was just consistently bad, there is a separate poll for "most overrated player of the season" Thauvin topped that as well though Yeah I know that but my point is, he would have been getting rated down because he was underperforming rather than that he's just shit. The overall opinion of a player is always going to cloud the judgement of his performance. We all know Williamson is shit so if he has a good game by his standards then he gets marked up even if by a better players standards the performance would be nothing more than average. The same goes for Sissoko. I would have scored him 1's or 2's for most of his performances this season. Not because he's a shit player but because he hasn't been playing to anywhere near the standards he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 it's based on their average ratings for the season in L'equipe, so no he was just consistently bad, there is a separate poll for "most overrated player of the season" Thauvin topped that as well though Aren't these 2 accolades completely contradictory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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