Dr Gloom 21960 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It's basically how the premier league started making gains. In the early days it was seen as a retirement home for past it European stars seeking a final payday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30649 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 And we've seen how that has benefitted the England football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21960 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 it's all the slightly more mercenary players they've attracted , some of them still im their prime and decent players (oscar/ramieres/witsel/Ba/Gervhino) but none of them big big names if they'd managed to pull off signing the likes of Ronaldo with that insane offer or another starting 11 player from the likes of madrid/barca/city/munich etc it'd have set a precedent , but the other lads mixed in with twilight year players like Tim Cahill/Pelle/lavezzi and also rans like Kakuta, who cares, it's the MLS with more money not sure it is the same as that, without a world equivalent of the champions league it's a gateway to nothing. Money talks. The more they throw around, the more seriously it'll be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5225 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Not convinced by that. If there's one thing that the PL has taught us in recent years its that overpaid mercenary footballers are no guarantee of success. China are taking the Man Utd/PSG approach, and while it'll serve them to a point, they're going to end up with serious imbalances in teams who have players of PL standard and others of Non-league standard. This is going to pull the PL standard ones down. More importantly, they don't have the sustainability behind them in terms of money. People aren't going to tune in and watch crap football - not in Europe, anyway. I don't think even the Chinese will be that arsed about their home teams once the initial excitement wears off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It's professional pride vs personal wealth. It's not like Juve would've been offering buttons. I get that and if Juve offered £1mil a year and Shanghai offered £2mil I pick Juve every time. But £20mil a year over 3 seasons isn't just enough to retire on, it's enough for you and your entire extended family to retire on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30649 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I get that and if Juve offered £1mil a year and Shanghai offered £2mil I pick Juve every time. But £20mil a year over 3 seasons isn't just enough to retire on, it's enough for you and your entire extended family to retire on Nearly all of those going to China for big money are South American or African. They could let their whole home towns retire on what they'd earn in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Insanity to turn down the figures being talked about. Anybody that says otherwise is lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5225 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Insanity to turn down the figures being talked about. Anybody that says otherwise is lying Not so sure about that. What can you do with £60m that you can't do with £30m? You just get bigger versions of the shit you already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Not so sure about that. What can you do with £60m that you can't do with £30m? You just get bigger versions of the shit you already have. Double the amount of holiday homes and lavish cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5225 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Double the amount of holiday homes and lavish cars Yeah but why? For what? There's a point, I'm sure, where I'd take job satisfaction over another holiday home that I might use once or twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yeah but why? For what? There's a point, I'm sure, where I'd take job satisfaction over another holiday home that I might use once or twice a year. When your career ends in your 30s you'd be away all the time man. I could spend 15 mill on a chalet in Courchevel to spend my retirement winters in if I went to China. Can't see why anyone would spurn the opportunity to have a significant amount more. There'll always be stuff to spend it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Agreed An apartment in New York and a big yacht would swallow 2 years wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30649 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It's a hard knock life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33270 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I was just thinking I could do with a pay rise to get a New York apartment or a yacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10872 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 I totally understand Tevez taking a final payday for frankly ludicrous sums, he's won plenty, played for massive clubs, represented his country and has been highly regarded. Oscar is 25, he could easily have won some more trophies at decent clubs for a couple of years before moving out there. Make no mistake, it's not the players wanting to move to China, none of them are aching to ply their trade for the likes of Gangzhou, it's the agents after another fat paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I totally understand Tevez taking a final payday for frankly ludicrous sums, he's won plenty, played for massive clubs, represented his country and has been highly regarded. Oscar is 25, he could easily have won some more trophies at decent clubs for a couple of years before moving out there. Make no mistake, it's not the players wanting to move to China, none of them are aching to ply their trade for the likes of Gangzhou, it's the agents after another fat paycheck. I think you'll see a lot of brazilians make the move following the likes of Paulinho, he's getting paid a huge amount of money and he still gets into the brazil team which will matter a lot more to the likes of Oscar than sitting on the bench for Chelsea and not getting called up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10872 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 I think you'll see a lot of brazilians make the move following the likes of Paulinho, he's getting paid a huge amount of money and he still gets into the brazil team which will matter a lot more to the likes of Oscar than sitting on the bench for Chelsea and not getting called up. Oscar could easily move to another top European league and win actual proper trophies while still earning a crust and improve his chances of being picked for the national side (which by the way cannot hold the same mystique as it once did, given the shite that have turned out for their countries), and still get a big money move in 5 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Oscar could easily move to another top European league and win actual proper trophies while still earning a crust and improve his chances of being picked for the national side (which by the way cannot hold the same mystique as it once did, given the shite that have turned out for their countries), and still get a big money move in 5 years time. I reckon that's a very english way of looking at national teams tbh. Toni Kroos made a Germany 7-1 Brazil joke in a happy new year tweet a couple of days ago and then had to apologise to Marcelo because it upset him that much, the brazilians think about their national team differently to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10872 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 I reckon that's a very english way of looking at national teams tbh. Toni Kroos made a Germany 7-1 Brazil joke in a happy new year tweet a couple of days ago and then had to apologise to Marcelo because it upset him that much, the brazilians think about their national team differently to us. It cannot be as difficult for a player to get into their National team, moving to China doesn't impact it, so surely moving from Chelsea's bench to a title chasing French side, or Portuguese side wouldn't be to his detriment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44978 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Given the clip of the sport for the last 10 years, I'm amazed that anyone is surprised by this development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 It cannot be as difficult for a player to get into their National team, moving to China doesn't impact it, so surely moving from Chelsea's bench to a title chasing French side, or Portuguese side wouldn't be to his detriment? Why bother moving to those teams when winning with them means nothing to you? May as well go and take the piss in china, still getting what means most to you in a footballing sense whilst making 5 or 6 times as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10872 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 Why bother moving to those teams when winning with them means nothing to you? May as well go and take the piss in china, still getting what means most to you in a footballing sense whilst making 5 or 6 times as much. Why doesn't winning titles mean anything? Isn't that what a football career is about (in addition to but not inferior to earning a fuck ton of money?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Why doesn't winning titles mean anything? Isn't that what a football career is about (in addition to but not inferior to earning a fuck ton of money?) Not to everyone, demonstrably not to a lot of south american players who come to europe to get paid so they can look after their families then go home to Santos or Boca or wherever and win some stuff with them where they actually care. Time was the best way to do that was to be amazing, work incredibly hard and win titles so you get massive wages, bonuses etc. Now, just go to china, earn it all much more easily and still get to play for your country. Lovely work if you can get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5225 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Not to everyone, demonstrably not to a lot of south american players who come to europe to get paid so they can look after their families then go home to Santos or Boca or wherever and win some stuff with them where they actually care. Time was the best way to do that was to be amazing, work incredibly hard and win titles so you get massive wages, bonuses etc. Now, just go to china, earn it all much more easily and still get to play for your country. Lovely work if you can get it. I guess this makes sense, although China isn't a great place to live. Some manner of sacrifice in terms of quality of life. The standard of play in China isn't going to reach the same levels as Europe under this model though. Even with 'superstars' they'll be brushed aside. The lack of competition will, over time, have a detrimental effect on the players who go out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4772 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I guess this makes sense, although China isn't a great place to live. Some manner of sacrifice in terms of quality of life. The standard of play in China isn't going to reach the same levels as Europe under this model though. Even with 'superstars' they'll be brushed aside. The lack of competition will, over time, have a detrimental effect on the players who go out there. Oh yeah, still, 2 or 3 years out there for £80 million (or whatever Tevez went for) is a total no brainer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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