Generic small time football blather thread 2015/16

[Alex 35114]

Think they believe there own hype too. Sterling probably thinks he's an absolutely top drawer player because his mate Sturridge says so. Sturridge probably thinks he's one of the top 5 strikers in Europe too despite, for his talent, not having achieved very much.

[Ayatollah Hermione 13891]

Think they believe there own hype too. Sterling probably thinks he's an absolutely top drawer player because his mate Sturridge says so. Sturridge probably thinks he's one of the top 5 strikers in Europe too despite, for his talent, not having achieved very much.

 

Aye, telling that Dier was probably our best player at the Euros and he's one who doesn't tend to be talked up as much as Kane and Alli.

[PaddockLad 17289]

Aye, telling that Dier was probably our best player at the Euros and he's one who doesn't tend to be talked up as much as Kane and Alli.

I think he was brought up in Portugal, learned the game out there, didn't come through an English academy. Maybe these Iberian mackems know something...

[Meenzer 15558]

Remember the suspicion with which Owen Hargreaves was treated. "But he hasn't played in the Premier League, how do we know if he's good?"

[Howmanheyman 33274]

Remember the suspicion with which Owen Hargreaves was treated. "But he hasn't played in the Premier League, how do we know if he's good?"

Can't stand that little cunt, personally. (Based on his BT appearances).

[strawb 4270]

Cricket has amongst others Atherton and Hussain, both uni graduates. Rugby is a bit different, but you're more likely to find someone with an education in that too, Wales and Lions great Jamie Roberts is a fully qualified doctor ffs

Is it fair to say most footballers don't come from a background where uni is often an option they'd never even think about, let alone be intellectually an option? Simon Kuper says in his soccernomics book that the game in England is still run largely by the working classes and hes mostly right about that. With all the millions of offer at a very young age in their country am pretty sure it will be very difficult to change this. In saying that, we've had decent national teams and managers who used to at least hold their own, the 1990 England side spring to mind, so do the lads from 1996. The academies attached to top English sides don't seem to be producing either leaders or thinkers, and without them England will always struggle when it counts.

Interesting point of view, bare in mind I'm nearly 32 but I played for Sheff Wed, Sunderland and Hartlepool as a youngster. It was about the time of the change from centres of excellence to academies. In real terms little changed between the two apart from the distance I was allowed to travel (hence the move from playing at Sheff wed and training at Chester le street with Simon smith, to going to the Sunderland "academy" with Ged McNamee).

 

From my knowledge none of the lads I played with made a career out of football and I would be surprised if many of them went to university, they probably did what I did, played semi pro and got a manual job. The distinction between general intelligence and footballing intelligence needs to made though. It's too simple to say that the lads there weren't intelligent, there were some lads probably who would struggle to count to ten, but put them on a football pitch and the world made sense to them. I mean a couple of my favourite players, Beardsley and Gazza, arguably two of the cleverest and most imaginative, intelligent footballers ever (imo) are (having never spoken to either) thick as fuck.

 

The problem with English football is the press, overestimating players, a lack of good players and it being 5 times more expensive to get a coaching license here than in Europe. Again imo.

[Rayvin 5226]

Interesting point of view, bare in mind I'm nearly 32 but I played for Sheff Wed, Sunderland and Hartlepool as a youngster. It was about the time of the change from centres of excellence to academies. In real terms little changed between the two apart from the distance I was allowed to travel (hence the move from playing at Sheff wed and training at Chester le street with Simon smith, to going to the Sunderland "academy" with Ged McNamee).

 

From my knowledge none of the lads I played with made a career out of football and I would be surprised if many of them went to university, they probably did what I did, played semi pro and got a manual job. The distinction between general intelligence and footballing intelligence needs to made though. It's too simple to say that the lads there weren't intelligent, there were some lads probably who would struggle to count to ten, but put them on a football pitch and the world made sense to them. I mean a couple of my favourite players, Beardsley and Gazza, arguably two of the cleverest and most imaginative, intelligent footballers ever (imo) are (having never spoken to either) thick as fuck.

 

The problem with English football is the press, overestimating players, a lack of good players and it being 5 times more expensive to get a coaching license here than in Europe. Again imo.

 

Good insight, that.

[gpirlo68 0]

http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14612246.Sam_Allardyce_leaves_Sunderland_s_Austria_camp___but_club_insist_it_s__business_as_usual__despite_England_talk/

 

Fat Sam for England, will he get it?

[PaddockLad 17289]

Interesting point of view, bare in mind I'm nearly 32 but I played for Sheff Wed, Sunderland and Hartlepool as a youngster. It was about the time of the change from centres of excellence to academies. In real terms little changed between the two apart from the distance I was allowed to travel (hence the move from playing at Sheff wed and training at Chester le street with Simon smith, to going to the Sunderland "academy" with Ged McNamee).

From my knowledge none of the lads I played with made a career out of football and I would be surprised if many of them went to university, they probably did what I did, played semi pro and got a manual job. The distinction between general intelligence and footballing intelligence needs to made though. It's too simple to say that the lads there weren't intelligent, there were some lads probably who would struggle to count to ten, but put them on a football pitch and the world made sense to them. I mean a couple of my favourite players, Beardsley and Gazza, arguably two of the cleverest and most imaginative, intelligent footballers ever (imo) are (having never spoken to either) thick as fuck.

The problem with English football is the press, overestimating players, a lack of good players and it being 5 times more expensive to get a coaching license here than in Europe. Again imo.

Good post that, the thing about Gazza and Pedro is interesting, but they're two and three generations ago. Will Alli take games by the scruff if the neck and dominate them like Gazza did by the age of 21? Will Sterling be able to play complelty and utterly off the cuff, to know when to give it and when to go himself, and have the end product in a couple of years time? I think all the evidence points to no, especially in Sterlings case because the jumped up pricks salary tells him he doesn't have to try any harder to "succeed"

 

If Klinsman becomes involved with the FA we may see more qualified coaches in the future, iits the road Germany went down in the early 2000s

[strawb 4270]

Cheers mate.

 

Tbh the ability to take games by the scruff of the neck ala Gazza is a one in a million thing. We are in relation to other nations quite small (Germany/Spain/France for example, geography isn't my strong point) so naturally we are going to produce less footballers, therefore less good footballers.

 

The reason we aren't producing those players imo rests squarely on the shoulders of the coaches, but then in turn the managers and owners and media. I did a bit of coaching in Spain once and everyone there working with even small kids had licenses, they concentrated on technical skills and education about the game, more about the why than the how, if that makes sense? Working with kids in this country it tends to be based on old school values of big, strong, fast and win at all costs. But then the managers can't afford to give good kids a chance cos they will get the sack, owners can't afford to get relegated because the prem is too rich to miss out on and the media builds people up just for idiots to eat it up.

 

It's a quandary because we fell in love with the old school values of football, 442, wingers, leaders, shouters and real men etc. But I am afraid that type of football is dead now, the sooner English football realises it the better off it will be.

[PaddockLad 17289]

Our population is large though strawb, we still produce lots of footballers, they just don't seem to have "it" in sufficient quantities on the international stage. Ali and Sterling have huge talent, they're as talented as anybody in that Portugal side apart from Ronaldo. They've come through the English system, with the poor coaching you describe. I think you're right about it up to a point, but the very fact this country has produced them proves that it's not all poor coaching, but you just know they won't do it at a summer tournament. There's something that goes missing once they get on the big money, that desire to really kick on and achieve something.

Edited July 12, 2016 by PaddockLad

[strawb 4270]

I'm just not sure they are as talented tbh mate, Alli could be anything he wants in football so will have to wait and see about him but Sterling, he is really quick but what else is he good at? He is one footed, doesn't score many, doesn't set many up, struggles to beat a man despite his pace. He had a great season at Liverpool but I am afraid it was a purple patch and now everyone thinks too highly of him.

[The Fish 10872]

Can't find a youtube of it but this is a phenomenal own goal.

 

https://gfycat.com/CalmGrandioseBergerpicard

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/serbian-defender-just-scored-greatest-8418007

[Alex 35114]

Amazing

[The Fish 10872]

How does this shit count as journalism now?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/15/england-under-sam-allardyce-an-imagined-timeline-of-his-reign/

 

Essentially somebody has come up with an "hilarious" projection of the future if Allardyce gets the England job, including references to gravy and the reanimated corpse of Nat Lofthouse.

 

I mean, it's great that it'll no doubt annoy the mackems, but the standard of journalism these days is lamentable.

[Alex 35114]

Christ. I appreciate it's meant to be funny but that's the problem.

[Kid Dynamite 7034]

Call me old fashioned but a representative of the BBC shouldn't be using language like that on social media when he's followed by thousands of kids

[Rayvin 5226]

[Happy Face 29]

Call me old fashioned but a representative of the BBC shouldn't be using language like that on social media when he's followed by thousands of kids

I'd ask about the parents who let their kids on Twitter before having a pop at Lineker.

[ewerk 30657]

It's a fucking disgrace.

[Kid Dynamite 7034]

People have been sacked for less in the NHS. Both publicly funded services

[Howmanheyman 33274]

People have been sacked for less in the NHS. Both publicly funded services

Didn't know you worked for the NHS?

[Bizza 105]

Trying to get sacked before he has to do MOTD in his pants

[Kid Dynamite 7034]

Didn't know you worked for the NHS?

Nowhere in that does it say That I do

[Alex 35114]

Didn't know you worked for the NHS?