gpirlo68 0 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Mackems seriously worried about Allardyce getting the England job. Let the meltdown commence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44990 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I would really rather he stayed with them. From both sides of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Whether he gets the job or not,he'll still think he was the best man for the job.Have the Spanish FA not contacted him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3902 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Everyone I work with want BSA to get the England job. Him or Beckham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35114 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 You work in Scotland, aye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3902 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 You work in Scotland, aye? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35114 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Well that makes sense. I wouldn't mind either like. That way at least I'd derive some satisfaction from our inevitable failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17289 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Donald Simpson Bell VC http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-36192097 NUFC under 21s are playing Bradford Park Avenue today as part of the commemorations of his passing during the battle of the Somme 100 years ago, he played for both clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10872 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 Donald Simpson Bell VC http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-36192097 NUFC under 21s are playing Bradford Park Avenue today as part of the commemorations of his passing during the battle of the Somme 100 years ago, he played for both clubs. U21s won 3-0 Toney, Longstaff and A Trialist scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Money talks. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/11/graziano-pelle-leaves-southampton-joins-shandong-luneng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Decent transfer fee for a 30 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 New partnership with Cisse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 There's not been many from the big European countries went to China so far. It may be that we're going to start to see more and more doing it. On a semi related note, did anyone see Rameries going mental after getting sent off in China the other day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17289 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Think there's a lot in this... http://www.football365.com/news/are-england-too-thick-to-win-anything Leading to this, which may be a tiny bit unfair on Kane, but does sort of illustrate the point... http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/harry-kanes-comments-brexit-compared-giorgio-chiellinis-laughable/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10872 Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 There's not been many from the big European countries went to China so far. It may be that we're going to start to see more and more doing it. On a semi related note, did anyone see Rameries going mental after getting sent off in China the other day? Eeee the mad bastard. On a related note; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35114 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Think there's a lot in this... http://www.football365.com/news/are-england-too-thick-to-win-anything Leading to this, which may be a tiny bit unfair on Kane, but does sort of illustrate the point... http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/harry-kanes-comments-brexit-compared-giorgio-chiellinis-laughable/ Aye, makes sense actually. There's more to it but as a culture it probably does hinder things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Think there's a lot in this... http://www.football365.com/news/are-england-too-thick-to-win-anything Leading to this, which may be a tiny bit unfair on Kane, but does sort of illustrate the point... http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/harry-kanes-comments-brexit-compared-giorgio-chiellinis-laughable/ I watch a lot of sport on Tv and it always occurs to me that the commentary on Football is much worse than it is on other sports. Cricket and rugby being two sports where I find the pundits are much better than their football counterparts. Personally I think this is because most footballers in this country are just like Steven Taylor (ie thicker than whale spunk). I was discussing this with a mate and he suggested that it might just be that that sports like cricket and rugby are more complicated so that the comentators seem better because they know much more about it than I do. I do think this is right to an extent but I think at least part of the reason they know more about these more complicated sports is that they're just better educated people. Generally speaking, football is one of the most simple sports there is and that's why it's the most popular across the globe. You don't need to be intelligent to play it and most of the players don't seem to be particularly clever or cultured individuals. I don't know whether there is a culture of stupidity like that article suggests but you do sometimes get these stories about certain players who have other interests as they are unusual cases so it wouldn't surprise me. And that might in turn follow through that the England team is made up of people who generally can't think for themselves. Given the size of our country and the level of our leagues, there must be some reason why the national team has generally done poorly in tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17289 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Cricket has amongst others Atherton and Hussain, both uni graduates. Rugby is a bit different, but you're more likely to find someone with an education in that too, Wales and Lions great Jamie Roberts is a fully qualified doctor ffs Is it fair to say most footballers don't come from a background where uni is often an option they'd never even think about, let alone be intellectually an option? Simon Kuper says in his soccernomics book that the game in England is still run largely by the working classes and hes mostly right about that. With all the millions of offer at a very young age in their country am pretty sure it will be very difficult to change this. In saying that, we've had decent national teams and managers who used to at least hold their own, the 1990 England side spring to mind, so do the lads from 1996. The academies attached to top English sides don't seem to be producing either leaders or thinkers, and without them England will always struggle when it counts. Edited July 11, 2016 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Not so sure that uni isn't an option so much any more. When I was at school it seemed like hardly anyone went on to uni but I've got mates from the same area who are about ten years younger than me and most of them went to uni. I think it's a much more common thing these days. That said, combining a football career with uni would be very difficult I'd imagine. The clubs should be doing a lot more to educate young players coming through though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The leaders thing might be a bit of a dirrent issue. When England did well in 90 and 96 we had players like Pearce, Butcher, Adams, Ince etc who were leaders. I'm not sure any of them were particularly educated, but they lead by example. I'm not sure you could teach what made them leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35114 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The academies do seem like they produce a lot of robots which, as the article says, are handy when blended with foreign players but not much use if you have a national side full of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15558 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The anti-intellectualism thing is nowt new really though. Le Saux was gay because he was a reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17289 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Not so sure that uni isn't an option so much any more. When I was at school it seemed like hardly anyone went on to uni but I've got mates from the same area who are about ten years younger than me and most of them went to uni. I think it's a much more common thing these days.That said, combining a football career with uni would be very difficult I'd imagine. The clubs should be doing a lot more to educate young players coming through though. It's not about combining the two, it's being doing well enough at school for it to be an option. In saying that, James Beattie chose Blackburn instead of uni. I've met him and, being charitable, he struck me as probably one of those who acts thick to fit in The leaders thing might be a bit of a dirrent issue. When England did well in 90 and 96 we had players like Pearce, Butcher, Adams, Ince etc who were leaders. I'm not sure any of them were particularly educated, but they lead by example. I'm not sure you could teach what made them leaders. They all had football intelligence though, they were talkers who knew the game and would get a message across. They cared enough and had the confidence to do it. I don't see any of that in young English players. It's gone from our game. The academies do seem like they produce a lot of robots which, as the article says, are handy when blended with foreign players but not much use if you have a national side full of them. That's how it appears to me too. The point Henry made about Deschamps last week was spot on. A leader and thinker, mostly the first name on the team sheet. Not everyone's cup of tea, Cantona's "water carrier", but he knew what it took, mentally hard as nails. Roy Keane was the same, and a better player. English Players today want to leave responsibility to others, and if you've got three or four of them like that in your national side at tournaments then despite any ability they may have you're not going to achieve anything. English players have their ludicrous salaries to cushion any criticism they may get for that though so why should they give a fuck? The money tells them they've "made it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 They're all too soft these days like. I think that comes from the academies and having everything done for them. Used to be that young players had to clean the pros boots and the like. I really can't see that happening now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I've said for years that La Masia in Barcelona is a great model for UK academies, sadly not one has even considered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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