Gemmill 46019 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's like watching The Culture Show this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) All the characters running the Sex Pistols were posh blokes. Every single last one of em. From art collagey McLaren to the EMI blokes to the the lad from the Wombles that played on most of the tracks.....But somehow they escaped it...They refused to be defined by it imho. Edited July 30, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yeah but that's you applying a bizarre standard to it iyam. Go back to about 1991 and you had Simon Bates playing sloppy shite on Radio 1. Does that mean it was culturally dead then? I still don't know what the fuck that means btw. But the output on Radio 1 is just what the people running it decide they want the station to be at any given time. You'd be better off checking out Radio 6 on a Saturday night tbh. And you're also coming at it from 20 years down the line. We're old farts. Charts have totally changed too. As has the way people listen to and obtain music so the comparison is unfair. Yeah am probably using the wrong words, they're not a strong point.. But you've got to pretty much accept that if the mainstream is now regularly playing the stuff we heard in clubs 15-20 years ago then things haven't moved on musically which is surely what is the most important thing about what may be termed "dance music culture"? There's nothing original driving change, the clubs and radio stations make the most money from trance and no ones willing to take a chance to take something a tiny bit weird but hugely better in qualityto the masses. So due to mass market forces the culture isn't evolving. You can be sure before Bates and DLT got the bullet the playlist as well as fuckin "our tune" also contained the Progidy and they'd have had to have played it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Yeah am probably using the wrong words, they're not a strong point.. But you've got to pretty much accept that if the mainstream is now regularly playing the stuff we heard in clubs 15-20 years ago then things haven't moved on musically which is surely what is the most important thing about what may be termed "dance music culture"? There's nothing original driving change, the clubs and radio stations make the most money from trance and no ones willing to take a chance to take something a tiny bit weird but hugely better in qualityto the masses. So due to mass market forces the culture isn't evolving. You can be sure before Bates and DLT got the bullet the playlist as well as fuckin "our tune" also contained the Progidy and they'd have had to have played it.... There's a new gate keeper ain't there? Anu rose out of the machines and into frenzied bodies and it scared the jehovah out of the handlers. Actual laws were passed in 3D time. Edited July 30, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 All the characters running the Sex Pistols were posh blokes. Every single last one of em. From art collagey McLaren to the EMI blokes to the the lad from the Wombles that played on most of the tracks.....But somehow they escaped it...They refused to be defined by it imho. And that's the difference, they were all art school posh, all ideologically driven, so was punk. They used young working class kids to send their message to the masses. Mike Pickering imported some banging tunes. Am certainly not saying one is better than the other but to claim rave was similar to punk in ethos us just plain wrong iyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35569 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yeah am probably using the wrong words, they're not a strong point.. But you've got to pretty much accept that if the mainstream is now regularly playing the stuff we heard in clubs 15-20 years ago then things haven't moved on musically which is surely what is the most important thing about what may be termed "dance music culture"? There's nothing original driving change, the clubs and radio stations make the most money from trance and no ones willing to take a chance to take something a tiny bit weird but hugely better in qualityto the masses. So due to mass market forces the culture isn't evolving. You can be sure before Bates and DLT got the bullet the playlist as well as fuckin "our tune" also contained the Progidy and they'd have had to have played it.... I wouldn't know about the present in all honesty. I was really arguing against the notion in was dead by the mid 90s. I hear a canny bit of new stuff but it's more the retro stuff that turns me on but I also accept that's an age thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35569 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 And that's the difference, they were all art school posh, all ideologically driven, so was punk. They used young working class kids to send their message to the masses. Mike Pickering imported some banging tunes. Am certainly not saying one is better than the other but to claim rave was similar to punk in ethos us just plain wrong iyam. The Pistols were only one band though. Influential, aye, but probably not that lasting a legacy beyond these shores and loads of other people got there first. There was a lot of revisionism with all the masterplan stuff behind the Pistols. If McLaren and co were that clever they'd have come up with more than one decent LP tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 I rather think it is timeless. It always returns and cuts through the fakery. It waits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't know about the present in all honesty. I was really arguing against the notion in was dead by the mid 90s. I hear a canny bit of new stuff but it's more the retro stuff that turns me on but I also accept that's an age thing.I wouldn't have been able to comment much about current stuff either until about 6 months ago but during the day if they're playing a dance track radio one is like a "TRANCE NATION 97" compilation. It's fuckin dreadful. EDIT: I was referring to Chez's comment about how huge it is now. Undeniably true but in that regard also musically stagnant. Edited July 30, 2015 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 There's a new gate keeper ain't there? Anu rose out of the machines and into frenzied bodies and it scared the jehovah out of the handlers. Actual laws were passed in 3D time. don't ever change Parky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17643 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Pistols were only one band though. Influential, aye, but probably not that lasting a legacy beyond these shores and loads of other people got there first. There was a lot of revisionism with all the masterplan stuff behind the Pistols. If McLaren and co were that clever they'd have come up with more than one decent LP tbh. Agreed, if you believed in it as a movement that meant something in 76 by the end of 78 you'd have probably been suicidal the way things panned out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I wouldn't have been able to comment much about current stuff either until about 6 months ago but during the day if they're playing a dance track radio one is like a "TRANCE NATION 97" compilation. It's fuckin dreadful. EDIT: I was referring to Chez's comment about how huge it is now. Undeniably true but in that regard also musically stagnant. Electronic music is the only dynamic form of music and if there is a 'punk' ethos, it lives on in the underground forms of modern dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I was a pretty big RUN-DMC fan as a kid - till I realised they were merely appropriating the Beastie Boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 3508 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I was a pretty big RUN-DMC fan as a kid - till I realised they were merely appropriating the Beastie Boys. Who were merely reappropriating Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and so on and so. Agreed, if you believed in it as a movement that meant something in 76 by the end of 78 you'd have probably been suicidal the way things panned out.. The thing about punk now isn't really about the material from that era but the legacy it left behind and the influence it had over cultures that followed it. Btw the world is a far different place now and with the internet, social media and the immediacy of things I doubt we will see a cultural explosion the like of punk again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35569 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Agreed, if you believed in it as a movement that meant something in 76 by the end of 78 you'd have probably been suicidal the way things panned out.. I think that the only meaning behind punk as a movement was its do it yourself ethos. Which, to be fair, lives on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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