McClaren, Laudrup, Carvs, The tea lady?

[Monroe Transfer 0]

So West Ham are apparently set to open talks to bring in multiple Champions League-qualifying, double Europa League winning current Sevilla manager Unai Emery. Reportedly interested in De Boer, Bilic and Bielsa too. Might well end up with none of them but at least they're trying.

 

Meanwhile our only genuine interest is multiple-sacking, cheap/out of work Steve McClaren. I doubt much if any effort was honestly put into looking into other options.

 

#eeyore

#petulant

Edited June 3, 2015 by Monroe Transfer

[David Kelly 1245]

Fuck me this is exhausting.

 

I don't doubt Ashley will now appoint McClaren. My point is that fucking loads of good quality, exciting coaches would be interested in the Newcastle job. Something that Trooper says is impossible. Of course there are coaches interested in the job. It's never been about attracting coaches to the club, it's the club being interested enough in them to pay the wage or employ their choice of backroom staff.

 

We're not going for McClaren because of a lack of interested options. We're going for McClaren because Lee Charnley is shit scared of making a decision.

 

fwiw I think Ashley would go for Garde, Galtier etc. but Charnley would rather defer to Carr or whomever, instead of having a punt on Vieira.

Were you not saying that it was Carr that gave you faith that we were going to get one of these continental types you were predicting? Now he's to blame for us saying fuck that we'll go for McClaren because he'll be willing to accept the shit that's given to him?

[David Kelly 1245]

So West Ham are apparently set to open talks to bring in multiple Champions League-qualifying, double Europa League winning current Sevilla manager Unai Emery. Reportedly interested in De Boer, Bilic and Bielsa too. Might well end up with none of them but at least they're trying.

 

Meanwhile our only genuine interest is multiple-sacking, cheap/out of work Steve McClaren. I doubt much if any effort was honestly put into looking into other options.

 

#eeyore

#petulant

Of course there was no effort put in. Tbf we're lucky that the person who currently falls into the category is McClaren. As Stevie says he'll be the best Ashley has ever appointed with us. Even if he is completely underwhelming!

[Park Life 71]

If you look at the current structure there just isn't wiggle room for 2-3m pound a year manager. They will be looking for someone cheap or upcoming. It looks like they plan on spending about 20m net and not the 40-50m to overhaul and energise the squad...So they won't want a manager who wants to call the shots. Hence no approach for the flashier managers who will want to strengthen their CV's.

They've fucked themselves cause if they'd spent a little in Jan then Carver might have won a couple of more games and they could have kept him (and Helen could have continued his media coaching).

Edited June 3, 2015 by Park Life

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Tiote, Taylor, de Jong, those players at Nottingham, Marveaux (?) 6 new signings, Haidara etc

 

Plenty there for a decent coach to work with and given how close Carr and McClaren are meant to be, I'm sure he'll have more input into the type of player who we go after going forward.

[Gemmill 44864]

I'd be less concerned about whether the chief scout should have such a say in who the manager is, and more concerned at who we're going to replace that ageing scout with, seeing as he is the only one in the NUFC power structure with seemingly any football knowledge.

[Park Life 71]

They can't even plan their own plans which have all invariably gone wrong. This is the hilarity.

[Gemmill 44864]

Tiote, Taylor, de Jong, those players at Nottingham, Marveaux (?) 6 new signings, Haidara etc

 

Plenty there for a decent coach to work with and given how close Carr and McClaren are meant to be, I'm sure he'll have more input into the type of player who we go after going forward.

You shut your face.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

[Park Life 71]

I'd be less concerned about whether the chief scout should have such a say in who the manager is, and more concerned at who we're going to replace that ageing scout with, seeing as he is the only one in the NUFC power structure with seemingly any football knowledge.

He's probably ostracized for making footballing decisions.

[Park Life 71]

I've done a full analysis of the club and nothing short of 100m inc backroom staff and coaches and liaison will sort it.

 

 

Edited June 3, 2015 by Park Life

[The Fish 10857]

Were you not saying that it was Carr that gave you faith that we were going to get one of these continental types you were predicting? Now he's to blame for us saying fuck that we'll go for McClaren because he'll be willing to accept the shit that's given to him?

 

Not blaming him at all.

 

I'm looking at McClaren's imminent arrival in the same way as I do the players we've signed/not signed. Carr may well have pushed for Galtier, Tuchel or whomever, but Charnley prefers a cheaper option? Just like Carr pushed Lacazette & Grenier, but Charnley preferred the cheaper Perez & Riviere.

[The Fish 10857]

So West Ham are apparently set to open talks to bring in multiple Champions League-qualifying, double Europa League winning current Sevilla manager Unai Emery. Reportedly interested in De Boer, Bilic and Bielsa too. Might well end up with none of them but at least they're trying.

 

Meanwhile our only genuine interest is multiple-sacking, cheap/out of work Steve McClaren. I doubt much if any effort was honestly put into looking into other options.

 

#eeyore

#petulant

Or their media know fuck all & they're going to end up with someone underwhelming too?

[David Kelly 1245]

Not blaming him at all.

 

I'm looking at McClaren's imminent arrival in the same way as I do the players we've signed/not signed. Carr may well have pushed for Galtier, Tuchel or whomever, but Charnley prefers a cheaper option? Just like Carr pushed Lacazette & Grenier, but Charnley preferred the cheaper Perez & Riviere.

I don't know why you have this faith in Carr tbh. What you say there isn't fact it's just your spin on the information we have. We were linked with Lacazette and Grenier so it must be true that Carr suggested them and because they've done better than who we bought in similar positions (I'm assuming Grenier has done well but I've actually heard nothing about him since we were linked) he must have suggested them as first choice but Charnley wouldn't greenlight the move.

I really don't understand why Carr gets away without any blame for signing the likes of Riviere or Anita (who it should have been clear to any scout within ten minutes of watching him that he's not suited for English football) and is also expected to championing all the right people for manager and then being ignored in that too. Just because unlike Charnley and Ashley he has some football background, it doesn't make him some sort of superman in the recruitment process. He's just a normal scout with a penchant for the French as far as I can see.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

So West Ham are apparently set to open talks to bring in multiple Champions League-qualifying, double Europa League winning current Sevilla manager Unai Emery. Reportedly interested in De Boer, Bilic and Bielsa too. Might well end up with none of them but at least they're trying.

 

Meanwhile our only genuine interest is multiple-sacking, cheap/out of work Steve McClaren. I doubt much if any effort was honestly put into looking into other options.

 

#eeyore

#petulant

 

let's see if we can get #petulant trending

[Gemmill 44864]

What the current lot don't seem to get is that (both on the pitch and in the dugout) a cheap fuckup is still a fuckup, and you mitigate to some extent against fuckups by putting your hand in your pocket. You can also mitigate against this by not having a paper thin squad.

 

We have a squad and a dugout that's both cheap and small. And full of fuckups.

[Park Life 71]

What the current lot don't seem to get is that (both on the pitch and in the dugout) a cheap fuckup is still a fuckup, and you mitigate to some extent against fuckups by putting your hand in your pocket. You can also mitigate against this by not having a paper thin squad.

 

We have a squad and a dugout that's both cheap and small. And full of fuckups.

Sounds like a plan!!!1

[The Fish 10857]

I don't know why you have this faith in Carr tbh. What you say there isn't fact it's just your spin on the information we have. We were linked with Lacazette and Grenier so it must be true that Carr suggested them and because they've done better than who we bought in similar positions (I'm assuming Grenier has done well but I've actually heard nothing about him since we were linked) he must have suggested them as first choice but Charnley wouldn't greenlight the move.

I really don't understand why Carr gets away without any blame for signing the likes of Riviere or Anita (who it should have been clear to any scout within ten minutes of watching him that he's not suited for English football) and is also expected to championing all the right people for manager and then being ignored in that too. Just because unlike Charnley and Ashley he has some football background, it doesn't make him some sort of superman in the recruitment process. He's just a normal scout with a penchant for the French as far as I can see.

 

Definitely not saying he's faultless. However, the way I see it, how I've always seen it, he provides Charnley etc. with a list and they shoulder the responsibility.

 

Think of it like sending your kid down the shop with a list including prime beef steak, but the little bugger figures you'd be just as happy with fish fingers and pockets the change. Then the missus blames you because the beef wellington tastes weird.

[Gemmill 44864]

 

Definitely not saying he's faultless. However, the way I see it, how I've always seen it, he provides Charnley etc. with a list and they shoulder the responsibility.

 

Think of it like sending your kid down the shop with a list including prime beef steak, but the little bugger figures you'd be just as happy with fish fingers and pockets the change. Then the missus blames you because the beef wellington tastes weird.

If your kid is owt like you, he'll come back with magic beans that he thinks will grow into a trophy winning football team. Edited June 3, 2015 by Gemmill

[The Fish 10857]

If your kid is owt like you, he'll come back with magic beans that will grow into a trophy winning football team.

 

If my kid turns out anything like me he'll not be appreciated in his own time either.

[David Kelly 1245]

Definitely not saying he's faultless. However, the way I see it, how I've always seen it, he provides Charnley etc. with a list and they shoulder the responsibility.

 

Think of it like sending your kid down the shop with a list including prime beef steak, but the little bugger figures you'd be just as happy with fish fingers and pockets the change. Then the missus blames you because the beef wellington tastes weird.

I understand your thought process but I don't get why you think that. In your scenario you're blameless other than for trusting your kid. Similarly Carr is blameless other than for trusting Charnley. Even then a better analogy would be if you gave your kid the option of getting fillet, sirloin, rump or smartprice burgers to put in the beef wellington and thinking that while the fillet would be better, any of them would do. If he's suggesting them he's putting his name to them in some capacity. I doubt he was asked to suggest players who are obviously too weak or useless to play in the league!

[Gemmill 44864]

 

If my kid turns out anything like me he'll have sex with men for money.

What?

[The Fish 10857]

I understand your thought process but I don't get why you think that. In your scenario you're blameless other than for trusting your kid. Similarly Carr is blameless other than for trusting Charnley. Even then a better analogy would be if you gave your kid the option of getting fillet, sirloin, rump or smartprice burgers to put in the beef wellington and thinking that while the fillet would be better, any of them would do. If he's suggesting them he's putting his name to them in some capacity. I doubt he was asked to suggest players who are obviously too weak or useless to play in the league!

No, because one could still misunderstand the situation and have sent the kid for Pork, instead of the required Beef.

 

y'get meh blud?

 

Agree that he will have sent him for fillet, sirloin, rump or smartprice because they're the full range that fit the bill, but I think he's likely to have ranked them in order of preference.

 

 

You've got to sign Lacazette!

You should sign de Jong.

You could sign Riviere?

Erm... Perez maybe?

[The Fish 10857]

What would it cost me to lick sour cream out of your towel holder?

 

Erm, not sure how to reply to this Scott...

 

 

If you're getting this desperate you could always try mating with your Roomba?

[Dr Gloom 21915]

 

If my kid turns out anything like me he'll make a tit of himself on football forums by making silly predictions and wasting hours typing out verbose posts with pompous language when he could have been entertaining the twitterati with his comedy account

 

FYP

 

#petulant