David Kelly 1260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 What I don't get is he (claims, at least) to be a football fan, attends a fair few games and seems genuinely pleased when we win against Man Utd (for example) or something like that. It's like when you have some brilliantly scientist who's also devoutly religious. I.e. he seems able to compartmentalise those conflicts as those the way he runs the club doesn't get in the way of his experience as a 'supporter'. Or he's just a cunt.He must be about the only person who is getting any ejoyment out of us these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) He must be about the only person who is getting any ejoyment out of us these days! I doubt he's getting any enjoyment out of seeing one of his investments/his Sports Direct free advertising vehicle nosediving into a lower league, and thus less exposure for his company. That's the closest I've ever come to saying something nice about him. Man is a CUNT Edited May 21, 2015 by Monroe Transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I doubt he's getting any enjoyment out of seeing one of his investments/his Sports Direct free advertising vehicle nosediving into a lower league, and thus less exposure for his company. That's the closest I've ever come to saying something nice about him. Aye you should have thrown a cunt in there somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 He got stung by that chancer Allardyce with all the snake oil salesmen on the payroll back then but he's gone too ridiculous extremes in response to that. It's fucking mental how he's jeopardised our PL status again by being such a skinflint. When you look at prize money for league positions and potential sell-on fees lost for players (not just in the development squad) then he's probably lost a lot of money and made the team significantly worse too. No one expects us to outspend Chelsea or Man City but there's no real reason why a long term plan to emulate what Southampton have been doing couldn't have been in place for ages now. How long's he been here? 7 years or something and 5 back in the top flight. Instead Graham Carr has been instructed to find cheap, available talent with a potential sell-on fee and that's it, i.e. there's zero structure behind that model. The board are a joke, Lee Charnley ffs. The coaching team is a joke and even the scouting is (I think Carr does a good job but he's 70-odd and he basically is the European scouting network). Relegation is precisely what the owner deserves for being so remiss in terms of looking after his investment. Spot on, fully agree about the Southampton bit. He's been here 7/8 years so the Academy kids that are reaching 18 now would have been 10 or 11 when he took over, we could easily be reaping the rewards of a good coaching and scouting network. How much would it even cost? I can't imagine decent youth coaches and a local scouting network would cost much money, even if you said 1m a year we'd recoup that by placing one league place higher. It should have been top priority for him and it seemed like it was going to be as that would fit the model he was supposedly interested in however as you say I think he abandoned it. Amazing when you look at the coaching staff and that bloke who got fired couldn't even get kept on at a League two club after us, how much less money was a bloke like him demanding than a youth coach with some ability? The ill state of the academy is simply down to him being a tight cunt, I know it wasn't exactly stellar under the Halls and Shepherd but they preferred the idea of spending lots of money in the transfer window which was faulty for another reason. It's just odd like you have mentioned as the shocking state of the coaching staff and scouting network fly completely in the face of the profits he clearly wants to make, for a relatively small outlay he could be making much larger profits and I would have thought the Carroll transfer would have shown that to him (of course not always to that level but teams will pay large sums for young British talent). It would also mean the players that have been brought in for profit potential would realise that potential, we've just lost money on Yanga Mbiwa and Santon and although he will no doubt make a profit Sissoko's margin of profit grows slimmer by the shite performance. He simply makes no sense and I'd say he's a total fucking moron but the bloke is a billionaire through his own business acumen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I believe we spend £2.8m pa on the academy. A near threefold increase on what we spent under Shepherd. I've no idea how that compares to other PL clubs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Spot on, fully agree about the Southampton bit. He's been here 7/8 years so the Academy kids that are reaching 18 now would have been 10 or 11 when he took over, we could easily be reaping the rewards of a good coaching and scouting network. How much would it even cost? I can't imagine decent youth coaches and a local scouting network would cost much money, even if you said 1m a year we'd recoup that by placing one league place higher. It should have been top priority for him and it seemed like it was going to be as that would fit the model he was supposedly interested in however as you say I think he abandoned it. Amazing when you look at the coaching staff and that bloke who got fired couldn't even get kept on at a League two club after us, how much less money was a bloke like him demanding than a youth coach with some ability? The ill state of the academy is simply down to him being a tight cunt, I know it wasn't exactly stellar under the Halls and Shepherd but they preferred the idea of spending lots of money in the transfer window which was faulty for another reason. It's just odd like you have mentioned as the shocking state of the coaching staff and scouting network fly completely in the face of the profits he clearly wants to make, for a relatively small outlay he could be making much larger profits and I would have thought the Carroll transfer would have shown that to him (of course not always to that level but teams will pay large sums for young British talent). It would also mean the players that have been brought in for profit potential would realise that potential, we've just lost money on Yanga Mbiwa and Santon and although he will no doubt make a profit Sissoko's margin of profit grows slimmer by the shite performance. He simply makes no sense and I'd say he's a total fucking moron but the bloke is a billionaire through his own business acumen. Definitely cost less than 2 relegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I believe we spend £2.8m pa on the academy. A near threefold increase on what we spent under Shepherd. I've no idea how that compares to other PL clubs though. Isn't that just the facilities though? We don't exactly have a massive youth coaching team, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Isn't that just the facilities though? We don't exactly have a massive youth coaching team, do we? Staff, coaches and pitches. Saying that, this was promised investment. Whether it has materialised or not I don't know. http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-invest-1m-more-4415350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Academy Staff Joe Joyce Academy Manager Steve Nickson Head of Recruitment Jimmy Nelson Head of Welfare Darren Darwent Head of Education Judith Horey Academy Administration Manager George Scott Academy Safeguarding Officer Coaching Staff Dave Watson U18 Head Coach Kevin Richardson U17 Head Coach Liam Bramley U16 Head Coach Professional Development Phase Peter Beardsley, Ben Dawson, Dave Watson, Kevin Richardson Youth Development Phase Liam Bramley - Vince Hutton Foundation Phase Gary Ives - Jamie Williams Coach Developer Terry Mitchell http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Club/Academy/AcademyInfo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) So 10 coaches? Obviously not including some junior coaching staff but that's fucking ridiculous to be running a Premier League academy, I'm sure many Championship sides have more than that. Also this is what we should have been aiming for from when Ashley took over: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/05/southampton-reaping-rewards-philosophy-new-training-ground If we had built something towards that sort of level he would have been adopting the Spurs/Arsenal model he seemed to want early on. I just get the feeling he has completely given up and wants to do as little as possible with as few staff as possible. Imagine if we had the success their academy has had, there's no chance Ashley would be investing a further 30m in it he's probably be trimming off some of the staff he saw as excess. Edited May 21, 2015 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 By the way, my lass used to go out with Simon Tweddle who is the 1st team fitness coach. So there's two reasons why he's a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Kelly 1260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Potted the tricky brown did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Potted the tricky brown did he? If he did, he's got a cock like a bookie's pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If he did, he's got a cock like a bookie's pen.Lubes an amazing thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Lubes an amazing thing! Met him at a wedding of one of her mates and actually, to be fair to him, he's a canny enough lad. Thought Pardew was a smarmy cunt for example. Understandably disinterested with the success or failure of the team. Bothered only with the fitness of the athletes under his charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Met him at a wedding of one of her mates and actually, to be fair to him, he's a canny enough lad. Thought Pardew was a smarmy cunt for example. Understandably disinterested with the success or failure of the team. Bothered only with the fitness of the athletes under his charge. I'd suggest he's fucking awful at his job then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'd suggest he's fucking awful at his job then! Could be, still think that, due to Ashley's shortsighted approach to the squad depth, we have seen our Manager/Head coach too happy to rush key players back earlier than we should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Could be, still think that, due to Ashley's shortsighted approach to the squad depth, we have seen our Manager/Head coach too happy to rush key players back earlier than we should.Aye it's probably a combination of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31196 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Fitness coach? That's quite something to keep up with in the stamina stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Fitness coach? That's quite something to keep up with in the stamina stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Fitness coach? That's quite something to keep up with in the stamina stakes. Never been awake to hear her complain so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKANDWHITEGEORDIE 0 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The sign of that you have good coaches is that the bigger clubs soon snap them up. Not one of ours from Carver upwards has ever been approached. Probably the last really good player to come through was Gazza and the likes of Waddle and Alan Suddick. Our current crop are absolutely diabolical and I have doubts whether they could get jobs in the Conference League. Bearing in mind that one of Ashley's prime motivators is to buy cheap ands sell expensive you would think he would get the best coaches available and scouts who specialise in the under 18's footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Seems that most of the players who get through the ranks of our Academy are the big lumps, rather than the diminutive skilful players. Dummet, Taylor, Shola, Sammy, all big lads while Campbel et al fall by the wayside despite being lauded for their promise at youth level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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