David Kelly 1217 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Can't say I'm massively arsed about any of the players that have gone (except MYM who I still think could be a good player wit the right partner). We had three senior leftbacks on the books and I'm surprised that's been alowed to continue for so long. Is Santon better than the other two? Possibly due to more experience but not by a great deal and I've never been happy with having a first choice leftback who's right footed. Yes he provided cover for Janmaat too but you can understand he's not really going to want to be here just for that reason. It basically boils down to us having Dummett/Haidara as first choice with the other behind then Raylor and Colback who can both cover there if needed. At rightback we have Janmaat and Raylor as backup with Anita who can cover this season and then Saylor who can play there when he's fit. Whilst I don't think any of our fullbacks other than Janmaat are really good players (Haidara has pottential though), the reality is we are actually as well off in those positions as we are for any in the team. The (much) bigger problem is at centreback. For the rest of the season we have Colo and Williamson as first choice with Dummett (is he a fullback, is he a centreback?) as the only relatively senior cover. After that we're down to Good (never played a game for us and been injured most of the season) and Satka (who's never played anywhere more senior than Slovakia's U19's). It's a disgrace that we've done nothing to address this but not at all surprising. We just have to hope we have four out of the five of Janmaat/Colo/Williamson/Dummett/Haidara fit for most of the rest of the season or we could really get caught out. The loan of players (with the possible exception Mbabu) is just a complete waste of time for us other than it possibly opening up spaces in the U21's for younger players to try and step up in to the places that have been occupied by players who seem to have no possible future with us at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9108 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 In a gimp mask? No in a Stetson, kilt and cowboy boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16991 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Scotland is a great place to live. Decent NHS with no creeping privatisation, good schools, free university education, good clean air, very good restaurants and bars here in Glasgow and lot's of countryside near by even for big cities. Fair play Think I'll see how Derry born Shane Ferguson gets on with his new err "supporters" before I go completely along with your glowing analysis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34721 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Glasgow is on the up. These days it only has the 2nd highest murder rate in Western Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Just to cheer oursleves up, anyone know the name of the poster who booked the day off work to watch skysports news for 15 hours a few years back?...and has he posted a sentence on here since? No, that was me. I was joking, my boss is too much of a cunt to give me a day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2930 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The loan of players (with the possible exception Mbabu) is just a complete waste of time for us other than it possibly opening up spaces in the U21's for younger players to try and step up in to the places that have been occupied by players who seem to have no possible future with us at all. Streete can not be excited with this move since he will not be able to receive match minutes. He has already been in the Port Vale side and our U21 squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1217 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Apparently u21 games don't count in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10663 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Apparently u21s can't count in Scotland That's probably down to their diet as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10663 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'm not bothered about the 5 younger players being farmed out on loan. Don't really think letting Santon go on loan helps us in anyway though. Sounds like it's a deal with an obligation to buy after a certain number of games, but I can't imagine the fee will be more than £5m? So at best we're loaning out a good fullback, and saving c£40k a week on wages, to a club who will, at the end of the season buy him for a moderate fee? Same as MYM, I don't understand this transfer. I would have preferred the young lads going to play at a higher standard than Rangers, but I suppose every game will be the oppositions' Cup Final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34721 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Santon deal is largely about saving money on wages. We're safe from relegation and we've got a few other players who can play there. Him being a good player is neither here nor there as far as the decision making went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10663 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Santon deal is largely about saving money on wages. We're safe from relegation and we've got a few other players who can play there. Him being a good player is neither here nor there as far as the decision making went. That's on the assumption Inter are paying his wages. Even if they are, c£40k isn't that big a deal for Newcastle United, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34721 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 That's on the assumption Inter are paying his wages. Even if they are, c£40k isn't that big a deal for Newcastle United, is it? Howay, man. They're bound to be paying most of his wages at least. And Ashley loves owt like that, big deal or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10663 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Howay, man. They're bound to be paying most of his wages at least. And Ashley loves owt like that, big deal or not. I'm not saying they definitely aren't paying his wages, I was using it more for rhetoric. MYM was farmed out because Pardew wasn't playing him despite being fit (and arguably our best defender), but Santon was just injured. Unless the expectation is that Santon won't play often due to injuries and it's better for him to be paid to lay upon Inter's treatment table than upon ours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34721 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'm not saying they definitely aren't paying his wages, I was using it more for rhetoric. MYM was farmed out because Pardew wasn't playing him despite being fit (and arguably our best defender), but Santon was just injured. Unless the expectation is that Santon won't play often due to injuries and it's better for him to be paid to lay upon Inter's treatment table than upon ours? I think we're hoping to move him on but if that doesn't happen we've saved some money. He's fit again, I think, but we don't need him (barring an injury crisis). Even if we do 'need' hm it doesn't matter because we won't go down. Applying what I see as the owner's 'logic' here, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10663 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think we're hoping to move him on but if that doesn't happen we've saved some money. He's fit again, I think, but we don't need him (barring an injury crisis). Even if we do 'need' hm it doesn't matter because we won't go down. Applying what I see as the owner's 'logic' here, obviously. I think I'd understand it better if we'd just sold him. I don't see the saving on his wages as worth it. But I guess even if he were to remain it's unlikely we'd finish higher in the league because of it. I'm eager for the Post-Ashley party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34721 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think I'd understand it better if we'd just sold him. I don't see the saving on his wages as worth it. But I guess even if he were to remain it's unlikely we'd finish higher in the league because of it. I'm eager for the Post-Ashley party. Makes sense from a selling point of view though. His stock isn't particularly high so anyone buying would want a cheap deal. Inter may be prepared to pay something like what they sold him for if he does well in the loan spell there. At present they'd want him for next to nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1217 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Apparently there's an automatic trigger in the deal where they have to sign him if he plays so many games. If that's the case it's probably a reasonable deal for us if they're paying most of his wages until then (and probably a loan fee too). It's not like we were desperate for the funds to be able to sign anyone ourselves was it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30162 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31145792 Rangers loanees must play if fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4713 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31145792 Rangers loanees must play if fit. That surely conflicts with rules from just about every level of footballs governing bodies. On the other hand at least he won't have to worry about playing Vuckic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3788 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 That surely conflicts with rules from just about every level of footballs governing bodies. On the other hand at least he won't have to worry about playing Vuckic TBF they are a million times better than what he has and it could be the board stopping him being a cunt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4713 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Aye, if theres one thing we know about Diamond Derek its that hes got his finger on the football pulse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6963 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Anyone think this might be part of the final push to sell the club? £3.5mil for Pardew £3.5mil for Santon £5mil for Mbiwa Ben Arfa off the wage bill No players bought No Manager brought in Rangers paying for 5 of our squad players He could be maximising his profits prior to a sale and subsequent Rangers buyout. Probably wishful thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4713 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Well I was listening to a top notch footballing podcast where the panelists were discussing that ashleys movements lately line up with a clear exit strategy But then The Fish started talking so it could be bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30162 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 That surely conflicts with rules from just about every level of footballs governing bodies. On the other hand at least he won't have to worry about playing Vuckic Apparently it isn't an uncommon clause in loan agreements but obviously the situation involving five players is highly unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21759 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 the sooner the cunt fucks off the better. can any other owner be any worse than this cunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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