Park Life 71 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 It can be argued the club as a whole is a lot stronger now than when Mashley took over. Tin hat ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Leaner, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5296 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 In depends how you define stronger I guess. As a business entity I'd say yes. As a competitive entity, I'd say no. As a focal point for a fanbase and wider community, hell no. In terms of overall reputation? Probably also no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17649 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Debt increased, only secure because it's backed by Jabba. So yeah, ish... Strength of support continues to be excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Squad is better. Been telling anyone who says Pardew had his best players sold that they were replaced and more brought in to boot... Relegation would be much more of a financial disaster these days though. TV cash has gone from less than a third of our income to more than half. Partially because it's grown, but primarily because other streams have fallen. If you took TV cash out of the club before Ashley arrived, wages were still covered. That's not true anymore and has continued to worsen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Looking at absolutes is irrelevant, the game is a competition so strength is measured in relative terms to competitors. To Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, obviously not much change. To Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, West Ham, Man City, Swansea and Stoke, we are relatively weaker than where we were in 2007. Either due to investments or club development. There was a time after relegation where relative progress was being made for a couple of seasons but that's stopped. So we might be financially stronger but so are 7 other clubs who weren't competing for the title 7 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Transfer Markt has our total sqaud value at 9th (126m) with S'hampton at 8th (156m). Looking at ours closely however has Aarons, Sammy and Ayoze wildly undervalued at between 1 to 2m. IMO Aarons value has shot upto 5/7m, Sammy must be 5ish now and Ayoze from what everyone has noted could go upto 10m a season or two (for now let's say 6m). We'd still be lower than S'ton but not that far behind. Their youth system is currently one of the best in the league and the have a tier one manager...S'ton will stay ahead of us in the short term. Personally I'd say we're ahead of Stoke, Wham and Swansea but for now not at Everton level with regard to coaching infastructure, manager and sqaud strength. http://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1 Edited January 3, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22147 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Stronger, I don't know. Probably if all you're measuring is the club as a business. But it was a lot more fun before he rocked into town. And I used to moan about the last lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35573 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We're in a better position than when Pardew replaced Hughton. IIRC, we were 11th back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We're in a better position than when Pardew replaced Hughton. IIRC, we were 11th back then. one helluva legacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKANDWHITEGEORDIE 0 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Squad is better. Been telling anyone who says Pardew had his best players sold that they were replaced and more brought in to boot... Relegation would be much more of a financial disaster these days though. TV cash has gone from less than a third of our income to more than half. Partially because it's grown, but primarily because other streams have fallen. If you took TV cash out of the club before Ashley arrived, wages were still covered. That's not true anymore and has continued to worsen... Ashley has outsourced everything since he took over, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Largely to his own company for their profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17649 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/will-mike-ashley-explain-50m-newcastle-united-profits/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) http://cf.datawrapper.de/T4jhZ/2/ Edited January 4, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 He's erroding our fan base which has got to be a bad thing. At the moment we are still pulling the crowds in but I can't see that continuing if he keeps going along the path of mediocrity that he's chosen. We might put up with it for a few years in the hope that something will change but if it becomes obvious to everyone that he's here for the long term with the sole objective of advertising sports direct and getting his money back out, that will change. That will then make the TV revenue an even large portion of the whole and financial repercussions of relegation even worse. At the moment we are probably a more attractive option to buy than we were. Hopefully that is his end game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3967 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Financially, I'm not even sure we're stronger, if you count Ashley as an outside entity , then we're in the red to the tune of hundreds of millions right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 We may be stronger in the falls, then comes the winters and springs and we are looking weaker than when we were in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31199 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Financially, I'm not even sure we're stronger, if you count Ashley as an outside entity , then we're in the red to the tune of hundreds of millions right? Except you wouldn't consider him as an outside entity. He owns 100% of the club, that's about as far from an outside entity as you could get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 The debt isn't that big. The stumbling block to potential buyers is the huge premium he seems to demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The debt isn't that big. The stumbling block to potential buyers is the huge premium he seems to demand.That and the fact we can't get any managers or players. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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