Dr Gloom 21923 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Is it more or less realistic that Newcastle United will be relegated? Ashley's decision to appoint a no mark like Carver, who has done nothing at all in his four game audition to suggest he is "head coach" material has increased the chances of us getting sucked into the relegation picture. If you don't see that you've got your head in the clouds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 There are clear changes in approach over the 7 years depending where the club were tbf. Â Spent to try get fans on side. Slash and burn sales to steady the wage bill Moderate investment for promotion and to secure PL status. Spent more in summer than in the previous 5 summers combined in a limited attempt to push on. Agree with this. Probably not a popular opinion, but Ashley's Newcastle have moved forward in some ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Literally one word you think you understand. Â If I 'bet' that apple is going to gain over the next month on good information, do you understand how that is not gambling as we are discussing it? So people who get a horse tip arent gambling either then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Agree with this. Probably not a popular opinion, but Ashley's Newcastle have moved forward in some ways. From where? You could argue we've been nudged from relegation certainties to also-rans, I suppose. Whoop-de-fucking-do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Ashley's decision to appoint a no mark like Carver, who has done nothing at all in his four game audition to suggest he is "head coach" material has increased the chances of us getting sucked into the relegation picture. If you don't see that you've got your head in the clouds.Yes it is more likely but is that the same thing as Newcastle United's relegation being likely? West Brom employing Pulis makes it more likely that West Brom will finish in the European spots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Someone said Carver has one point from four matches. It's worth pointing out that he couldn't have got any points from the Leicester match. Â There were signs in a couple of those matches that he'd get them playing better football that Pardew. The team played better football than Pardew's team. Â I don't think he's very good, but I think he's good enough not to get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 nudged from relegation certainties to also-rans, I suppose. Whoop-de-fucking-do Unfortunately that's about the size of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 So people who get a horse tip arent gambling either then? Answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't need to when the crux of your argument is that a huge losing spread bet wasn't a gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Yes it is more likely but is that the same thing as Newcastle United's relegation being likely? Â West Brom employing Pulis makes it more likely that West Brom will finish in the European spots... More likely, yes. That is the point. That is why people are venting and unable to be joyous ffs. Â He's appointed someone, potentially as full time future coach, who has done nothing to suggest he's capable and who no one wants. Not for the first time he's prepared a shit sandwich for tea and he's asking us to tuck in with the promise of a scrotum shandy to wash it down and putrid puke pudding for afters. Â The 8 point margin is probably enough of a head start to save us but I fully expect a nervous end to the season now with us flirting with the relegation places, all thanks to Mike. I don't see us finishing 9th as you suggest we might, more likely somewhere in the bottom 5 or 6.. GREAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 From where? You could argue we've been nudged from relegation certainties to also-rans, I suppose. Whoop-de-fucking-do I also think Ashley has a plan to advance the team beyond mid table. But I should probably see someone about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Â I don't think he's very good, but I think he's good enough not to get relegated. This is literally the best thing anyone can say about Carver getting the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't need to when the crux of your argument is that a huge losing spread bet wasn't a gamble OK let me break down your argument as simply as I can. Â Losing: If a bluechip company acquires a start up that fails, does it then become a gamble? Gambling: Why do casinos never go broke? They do nothing but gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 This is literally the best thing anyone can say about Carver getting the job The Fish will see us through the darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17261 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 More likely, yes. That is the point. That is why people are venting and unable to be joyous ffs. Â He's appointed someone, potentially as full time future coach, who has done nothing to suggest he's capable and who no one wants. Not for the first time he's prepared a shit sandwich for tea and he's asking us to tuck in with the promise of a scrotum shandy to wash it down and putrid puke pudding for afters. Â The 8 point margin is probably enough of a head start to save us but I fully expect a nervous end to the season now with us flirting with the relegation places, all thanks to Mike. I don't see us finishing 9th as you suggest we might, more likely somewhere in the bottom 5 or 6.. GREAT Â We went to QPR on the last day a couple of years back needing a win to stay up. We did, and Pardew kept his job. The bar for Carver staying in the job is very low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17261 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 OK let me break down your argument as simply as I can. Â Losing: If a bluechip company acquires a start up that fails, does it then become a gamble? Gambling: Why do casinos never go broke? They do nothing but gamble. Â What did Ashley do with the HBOS thing then in your opinion?... fyi HBOS wasn't a start up, hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 OK let me break down your argument as simply as I can. Â Losing: If a bluechip company acquires a start up that fails, does it then become a gamble? Gambling: Why do casinos never go broke? They do nothing but gamble. But Mike Ashley did lose which kind of proves there was an element of risk in his spread bet. Therefore it was a gamble. One that he lost. You can use all the jargon you want to but you're spectaculatly wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Â What did Ashley do with the HBOS thing then in your opinion?... fyi HBOS wasn't a start up, hope that helps He gambled on the future price of HBOS. ie an investment. Just because he decided not to use the futures market for whatever reason doesn't change that fact. Â I like the idea that he decided to roll the dice with what I believe was about 25% of his net worth at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 But Mike Ashley did lose which kind of proves there was an element of risk in his spread bet. Therefore it was a gamble. One that he lost. You can use all the jargon you want to but you're spectaculatly wrong Ah ok, so that is interesting. Anything that has an element of risk is a gamble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 And I've tried to steer clear of any jargon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Chez is basically CT-lite these days. Is The Fish too, for expressing the exact opposite sentiment? Apparently. Makes about as much sense as expecting a better manager to be appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 But Mike Ashley did lose which kind of proves there was an element of risk in his spread bet. Therefore it was a gamble. One that he lost. You can use all the jargon you want to but you're spectaculatly wrong According to that definition, any business transaction that doesn't involve immediate settlement is a risk. If I make a business loan that involves credit risk, market risk, systemic risk etc. So every loan is a gamble, so the question is what steps have you taken to minimise the risk - collateral etc. Â I think you need to be a bit more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Is The Fish too, for expressing the exact opposite sentiment? Apparently. Makes about as much sense as expecting a better manager to be appointed. Better than who? Carver? Â It seems that Carver is both the worst coach around and better than the next guy can possibly be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17261 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 According to that definition, any business transaction that doesn't involve immediate settlement is a risk. If I make a business loan that involves credit risk, market risk, systemic risk etc. So every loan is a gamble, so the question is what steps have you taken to minimise the risk - collateral etc. Â I think you need to be a bit more specific. Â Risk assesment rules everything we do, including lumping on HBOS shares or indeed the 3-15 at Lingfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Those arguments are far too fancy for csd. It's like dining with a shit-flinging ape having a debate with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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