The Fish 10662 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So what? We may have just been feeling all these cernts out to see if they are supplicant and can live on baked beans. I can go and look at a million pound house this afternoon if I wanted, would you infer from that I am likely to buy one? See this is the irrationality I'm talking about. It makes no sense to hold meetings with a coach that meets all the criteria for your new Head Coach, and then go with someone who doesn't. People still seem to think Ashley and his associates are making decisions purely to spite the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So what? We may have just been feeling all these cernts out to see if they are supplicant and can live on baked beans. I can go and look at a million pound house this afternoon if I wanted, would you infer from that I am likely to buy one? Your analogy doesn't work for the reasons I've already given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 If he isn't spiteful, why did he rename Shearer's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Your analogy doesn't work for the reasons I've already given. What reasons? Don't make me scroll back, you lazy bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) See this is the irrationality I'm talking about. It makes no sense to hold meetings with a coach that meets all the criteria for your new Head Coach, and then go with someone who doesn't. So why did they do it then? Edited January 28, 2015 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 So why did they do it then? Why did they hold meetings with candidates and then defer deciding until the summer? Probably because the targets they were after (Tuchel, De Boer, Garde, McClaren) are all currently unavailable for one reason or another and rather than employ a Head Coach they don't want and risk needing to replace him in 6 months anyway, they'd stick with someone who's already at the club and who they're confident will do enough to keep Newcastle in the Premier League. Come the summer, they'll address the Head Coach position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1217 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Carver may not be an inspiring choice, but he's hardly an amateur. I think people believe I'm being unreasonably positive because they're firmly in the negative camp. In comparison to them I must seem like a happy-camper. I'm not at all; I wanted a Head Coach in now, I want a striker & a centre half before the window closes, I'm worried that Sissoko may still leave. However, because I'm fairly comfortable that we'll survive, I'm fairly confident we will again sign some good players and I do think we'll employ someone of Garde's level (rather than Carver's) in the summer, I seem insanely gleeful. I am being realistic, I'm just choosing to take from reality more positives than you, Gloom and the others are thus far. The amateur tag was aimed at Penfold rather than Carver but honestly Carver isn't much better. His antics at Southampton and in the past with Bellamy could hardly be called professional could they? But more importantly his experience is a few games as caretaker of us, Leeds and Sheff Utd and one season in the MLS where he managed 12 wins before being sacked (of course 12 wins would be brilliant for us at this stage like). But if you want to take positives that's fine (personally I don't see a great many in not appointing the head coach we need or signing the players we're desperate for to give the person we have put in charge a chance) but that doesn't mean myself, Gloom and many others are being hysterical in thinking relegation is a serious threat and that the club being run with no consideration to having any sort of sporting ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Why did they hold meetings with candidates and then defer deciding until the summer? Probably because the targets they were after (Tuchel, De Boer, Garde, McClaren) are all currently unavailable for one reason or another and rather than employ a Head Coach they don't want and risk needing to replace him in 6 months anyway, they'd stick with someone who's already at the club and who they're confident will do enough to keep Newcastle in the Premier League. Come the summer, they'll address the Head Coach position. Great! That's wonderful news. Edited January 28, 2015 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 all currently unavailable Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The amateur tag was aimed at Penfold rather than Carver but honestly Carver isn't much better. His antics at Southampton and in the past with Bellamy could hardly be called professional could they? But more importantly his experience is a few games as caretaker of us, Leeds and Sheff Utd and one season in the MLS where he managed 12 wins before being sacked (of course 12 wins would be brilliant for us at this stage like). But if you want to take positives that's fine (personally I don't see a great many in not appointing the head coach we need or signing the players we're desperate for to give the person we have put in charge a chance) but that doesn't mean myself, Gloom and many others are being hysterical in thinking relegation is a serious threat and that the club being run with no consideration to having any sort of sporting ambition. That's another issue entirely. Thing is, as I've said, you guys can state that relegation is assured or a very real threat or whatever and no matter what, come the end of the season, you're safe in that prediction. If you're wrong we've stayed up and that's all right, if you're right you can crow about it. My prediction; that we'll survive, means I can't crow about it even if we achieve it. Because it's a poor ambition for a club like ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Great! That's wonderful news. Thought you weren't a fan of putting words in people's mouths? You'll agree that it's an entirely reasonable reaction to the news, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30161 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Why did they hold meetings with candidates and then defer deciding until the summer? Probably because the targets they were after (Tuchel, De Boer, Garde, McClaren) are all currently unavailable for one reason or another and rather than employ a Head Coach they don't want and risk needing to replace him in 6 months anyway, they'd stick with someone who's already at the club and who they're confident will do enough to keep Newcastle in the Premier League. Come the summer, they'll address the Head Coach position. Is the correct answer. Part of me reluctantly knows that it's the right thing to do. Though I still believe we could have gotten someone better than Carver on an interim basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 What sort of cunt would crow about us getting relegated FFS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 We've already established that surviving is our only target, so if Carver as you predict achieves it... why would they go out and spend money on a fancy foreign head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Thought you weren't a fan of putting words in people's mouths? You'll agree that it's an entirely reasonable reaction to the news, though? You said we'd get a Head Coach in the summer. Which words have I put in your mouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1217 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 See this is the irrationality I'm talking about. It makes no sense to hold meetings with a coach that meets all the criteria for your new Head Coach, and then go with someone who doesn't. People still seem to think Ashley and his associates are making decisions purely to spite the fans. I think there are two points here. 1. Did we actually meet with any of these people? It seems likely that we did meet with Garde given his own comments but has there even been any press suggestions that we have met with any of the other names linked? 2. Did we meet with the likes of Garde because he looked suitable and then find out that he wouldn't submit to Ashley's law? If so we could meet with Jose, Sir Alex, KK or whoever and know that there's no chance of them coming in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 What reasons? Don't make me scroll back, you lazy bugger. Carr having good contacts and the PL being attractive to foreign coaches. I think it's possible (probable even) we'll get someone with a decent rep, willing to work within the constraints and who'll (obviously) see us as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. Hardly outlandish given it's happened with a couple of top class players we've had recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 We've already established that surviving is our only target, so if Carver as you predict achieves it... why would they go out and spend money on a fancy foreign head coach? Because Carver keeping us up this season, when he already has plenty points on the board and a massive head start on the teams in the drop zone is completely different to him starting from scratch for a full season. Unbelievable that needs explaining to be honest. Even to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 People are brainwashed if they think this is the right thing to do. The right thing to do is pick your man and pay for him now. Not write half a season off to save a few quid. Disgrace that something so obviously disgraceful can't even unite the supporters in disgust, because there's so many people trying to be a clever cunt and take the contrary view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10662 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You said we'd get a Head Coach in the summer. Which words have I put in your mouth? That it was Great and/or Wonderful News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 People are brainwashed if they think this is the right thing to do. The right thing to do is pick your man and pay for him now. Not write half a season off to save a few quid. Disgrace that something so obviously disgraceful can't even unite the supporters in disgust, because there's so many people trying to be a clever cunt and take the contrary view. Who's saying it's the right thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Carr having good contacts and the PL being attractive to foreign coaches. I think it's possible (probable even) we'll get someone with a decent rep, willing to work within the constraints and who'll (obviously) see us as a stepping stone to bigger and better things. Hardly outlandish given it's happened with a couple of top class players we've had recently. Over rating Carr a little bit. We've signed more foreign shite than we have genuinely class players. This whole 'top scout' 'top contacts' angle over the last few years has been the result of spin from the club/chronicle to justify our excessively 'prudent' approach in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Who's saying it's the right thing to do? ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) That it was Great and/or Wonderful News That was sarcasm. Hardly the same. Anyway, on one hand I admire your semi-positive outlook. On the other I think it is unjust of you to label fans as being irrational when they have, quite reasonably, lost all faith with Ashley to act in the best interests of the football club. And I think you should do the decent thing and apologise to everyone. Edited January 28, 2015 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30161 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 People are brainwashed if they think this is the right thing to do. The right thing to do is pick your man and pay for him now. Not write half a season off to save a few quid. Disgrace that something so obviously disgraceful can't even unite the supporters in disgust, because there's so many people trying to be a clever cunt and take the contrary view. And if the right man doesn't want to come right now but is willing to talk in the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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