The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 More likely, yes. That is the point. That is why people are venting and unable to be joyous ffs. He's appointed someone, potentially as full time future coach, who has done nothing to suggest he's capable and who no one wants. Not for the first time he's prepared a shit sandwich for tea and he's asking us to tuck in with the promise of a scrotum shandy to wash it down and putrid puke pudding for afters. The 8 point margin is probably enough of a head start to save us but I fully expect a nervous end to the season now with us flirting with the relegation places, all thanks to Mike. I don't see us finishing 9th as you suggest we might, more likely somewhere in the bottom 5 or 6.. GREAT Is it not possible to be unhappy with the appointment without throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Risk assesment rules everything we do, including lumping on HBOS shares or indeed the 3-15 at Lingfield Indeed. However the point is you have to look at all the factors, future cashflows and rights to arrive at that assessment. I know nothing about the HBOS transaction and maybe it was the equivalent of a horse bet I dunno. I suspect it wasn't directly comparable to a straight bet however. Not that I care one iota, I was just trying to move the discussion along a little Edited January 27, 2015 by Kitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22186 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Is it not possible to be unhappy with the appointment without throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Who's doing that? As far as I can see the consensus on here is entirely rational and reasonable - that is, the appointment of a coach with no experience at all other than doing nothing to impress in four games, to guide the team for the remaining dozen or so games will result in a nervous end to the season. If anything I'd say you're the one that is being overly optimistic. Glad to be proven wrong like but it doesn't look like he's being backed in the transfer market to give him some help. And God knows he needs all the help he can get it on the evidence so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17698 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Indeed. However the point is you have to look at all the factors, future cashflows and rights to arrive at that assessment. I know nothing about the HBOS transaction and maybe it was the equivalent of a horse bet I dunno. I suspect it wasn't directly comparable to a straight bet however. Not that I care one iota, I was just trying to move the discussion along a little Daily Mail say "bet" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1059237/Newcastle-United-tycoon-Mike-Ashley-lost-300m-HBOS-bet.html The blow came in a week when he also said he was selling Newcastle United because of hostility from fans. Edited January 27, 2015 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Can anyone name a worse person in charge of a premier league team at present? I'm still grateful that Pardews gone but I think relegation is a greater possibility with his successor than it was with him. I don't think it's a certainty (im not sure anyone has said that) but there's a bigger chance. Carver may have the coaching badges but his record in charge is woeful at best and his audition for the job has been an unmitigated disaster. One draw in four games and two of the four games were against supposed dead certs for relegation. If this isn't a cause for concern I don't know what is. Yes people are probably overreacting but what else do you expect when we keep getting served this shite time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Who's doing that? As far as I can see the consensus on here is entirely rational and reasonable - that is, the appointment of a coach with no experience at all other than doing nothing to impress in four games, to guide the team for the remaining dozen or so games will result in a nervous end to the season. If anything I'd say you're the one that is being overly optimistic. Glad to be proven wrong like but it doesn't look like he's being backed in the transfer market to give him some help. And God knows he needs all the help he can get it on the evidence so far. If people were being reasonable and rational there wouldn't be talk of relegation, that we'll never sign a good coach, that we'll never sign a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 There's nothing irrational about seeing the threat of relegation. If you see it as a threat then you really are being irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 There's nothing irrational about seeing the threat of relegation. If you see it as a threat then you really are being irrational.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Don't see the threat. Sorry. The hysteria got the better of me. Edited January 27, 2015 by David Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Daily Mail say "bet" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1059237/Newcastle-United-tycoon-Mike-Ashley-lost-300m-HBOS-bet.html The blow came in a week when he also said he was selling Newcastle United because of hostility from fans. The Daily Mail righto Incidentally they just appear to be reporting some vague source with no specifics about the actual transaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Daily Mail say "bet" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1059237/Newcastle-United-tycoon-Mike-Ashley-lost-300m-HBOS-bet.html The blow came in a week when he also said he was selling Newcastle United because of hostility from fans. That's that settled then. Apologies to CSD for being so ignorant of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Don't see the threat. Sorry. The hysteria got the better of me. It's a threat for all but the teams who've already got 40 points. I don't think it's realistic to start planning away trips to Leeds just yet. And to declare we're never going to sign a proper coach, or sign any players is just histrionics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Show me where i can spread bet somewhere that isnt licensed by a gambling commission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22186 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) If people were being reasonable and rational there wouldn't be talk of relegation, that we'll never sign a good coach, that we'll never sign a good player.We may one day appoint a good coach, right now we have carver and there's every chance he'll still be here next season. We have some good players. We may one day buy another good one. We have plenty of shite too. We unquestionably need more good players but there is little evidence that we are chasing any in this window. Ashley has done nothing to suggest things will get better for the remainder of the season hence people are rightly concerned things will get worse. The threat of getting sucked into the relegation picture is a big worry. Talking about it on here is not unreasonable, nor are those people being irrational. Edited January 27, 2015 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 We may one day appoint a good coach, right now we have carver and there's every chance he'll still be here next season. We have some good players. We may one day buy another good one. We have plenty of shite too. We unquestionably need more good players but there is little evidence that we are chasing any in this window. Ashley has done nothing to suggest things will get better for the remainder of the season hence people are concerned things will get worse. The threat of getting sucked into the relegation picture is a big concern because of that. Talking about it on here is not unreasonable, nor are those people being irrational. This post is reasonable. This post talks of it as a possibility, not a sure thing, this talks of concerns, not guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It's a threat for all but the teams who've already got 40 points. I don't think it's realistic to start planning away trips to Leeds just yet. And to declare we're never going to sign a proper coach, or sign any players is just histrionics. Ashley has never picked a good coach (Keegan of course has ability but was never going to be able to work under Ashley's constraints). The only one who was working was the one who just fell into the job. So just as relegation is a realistic possibility (not just a mathematical possibility) so is not getting a good head coach under Ashley. Hopefully this won't be the case but if anything the evidence we have (ie Ashley's history) suggests it's more likely a shocking appointment will be made than a good one. It's far from ridiculous to be concerned about this. It is daft to say we'll never sign a good player again because under ashley history tells us we do sign decent players. But there's not a great deal of talk that we'll never sign a good player again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Ashley has never picked a good coach (Keegan of course has ability but was never going to be able to work under Ashley's constraints). The only one who was working was the one who just fell into the job. So just as relegation is a realistic possibility (not just a mathematical possibility) so is not getting a good head coach under Ashley. Hopefully this won't be the case but if anything the evidence we have (ie Ashley's history) suggests it's more likely a shocking appointment will be made than a good one. It's far from ridiculous to be concerned about this. It is daft to say we'll never sign a good player again because under ashley history tells us we do sign decent players. But there's not a great deal of talk that we'll never sign a good player again. By all accounts Charnley & Carr are picking the Head Coach and given the latter's work in the past and the names we've been linked to (and met with) I'd say it's reasonable to see the likes of Garde, Tuchel & maybe even De Boer, rather than Sherwood et al. Especially given the stated role that the management want filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22186 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 This post is reasonable. This post talks of it as a possibility, not a sure thing, this talks of concerns, not guarantees. I don't see anyone saying we're certainties to go down. The 8 point gap will probably save us, hopefully even carver won't be that shit. But we can't know for sure because he's totally unproven and he isn't being backed in the transfer market. That's why people are rightly worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Show me where i can spread bet somewhere that isnt licensed by a gambling commission Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 No, I do not think that is a given by any stretch. It would be so... 'Newcastle'... to go on a horrendous record breaking run of results from now til the end of the season, resulting in our relegation. People saying that this isn't such a big deal because we will get someone else in in the summer are mental. This is yet another grim day for Newcastle under Ashley. Dark days ahead I think. I'm not going back to watch another game this season. I respect other people's decision to, but you've got to be mad to go and 'support the club not the regime' week in week out these days. 52,000 bitches of Mike Ashley. Better the devil you know with Ashley innit as you never know what kind of shit sandwich is around the corner. Pardew was mostly hideous but at least he'd have kept us up. Fuck knows where the season goes from here. I wouldn't rule out a relegation battle. I confidently predict we will either get relegated or in 5 games time when the valiant point against Burley which marked the high point of Carvers career is but a dim and distant mempry they will panic buy a coach who will turn out to be total dogshit. Head Coach/ Manager whatever. We're not going to get a good one. If they really wanted Mclaren they'd have gone and got him. No chance he'd have rejected an approach, him saying he's got a job to do at Derby is lip service, every manager does that. These are the kinds of posts I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 By all accounts Charnley & Carr are picking the Head Coach and given the latter's work in the past and the names we've been linked to (and met with) I'd say it's reasonable to see the likes of Garde, Tuchel & maybe even De Boer, rather than Sherwood et al. Especially given the stated role that the management want filled.I don't know about you,but the bloke who used to fill in the team sheet and who has overseen us registering Darlow as a first team player this season being in charge of the process doesn't fill me with any more confidence than if Ashley was taking a more active role. I suppose that he's unlikely to have any mates like JFK to pull out of his arse gives me a bit of comfort. I hope Carr is involved enough and can put something together for us. I can't say im confident that is something that gives me a bit of hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Gloom saying he "wouldn't rule out a relegation battle" seems unreasonable to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I don't know about you,but the bloke who used to fill in the team sheet and who has overseen us registering Darlow as a first team player this season being in charge of the process doesn't fill me with any more confidence than if Ashley was taking a more active role. I suppose that he's unlikely to have any mates like JFK to pull out of his arse gives me a bit of comfort. I hope Carr is involved enough and can put something together for us. I can't say im confident that is something that gives me a bit of hope. Howay, to be fair how often does a team lose both of it's 1st choice 'keepers for any length of time? The administration of the Darlow thing may have required for him to be registered as a Newcastle player for him to be loaned back? I dunno. I'm looking at the names we've been linked with and those confirmed by meeting with the club officials and that gives me some confidence that we'll appoint a Head Coach that is not only better than Carver, but better than PArdew too, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Gloom saying he "wouldn't rule out a relegation battle" seems unreasonable to you? In the context of his other posts, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 These are the kinds of posts I'm talking about.Gloomy saying he wouldn't rule out a relegation battle is hardly hysterical though is it?A couple of the others are a bit over the top but that's not what most people are doing in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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