The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Carver is a shit appointment, everyone has a perfect right to complain. The only thing that would make it excusable is if we get a really good manager in the summer. And I think whilst an 8 point head start should be enough to stave off relegation, I think it's still a gamble to put Carver in charge. Our season is a write off and we're run by penny pinching fuckwits, so it's perfectly justified to be pissed off about this imo. It's not just pissed off though, it's an absolute guarantee that everything is awful and will only get worse. I'm not happy with Carver's appointment, but genuinely people are going way over the top with their prediction of definite catastrophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 But changing the head coach will cost him more than not changing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 And the hbos thing wasnt an investment it was an outright gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 But changing the head coach will cost him more than not changing it Not if Carver gets Newcastle relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 And the hbos thing wasnt an investment it was an outright gamble Would love to hear you expand on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 We got relegated before and he put his faith in a coach with no managerial experience to promote us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 His hbos losses were from a spread bet on the share price were they not? i.e a gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 His hbos losses were from a spread bet on the share price were they not? i.e a gamble He bet on the future price of a stock. How exactly would that be different from him investing in any publicly traded company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Because he bet. Therefore it was a gamble. The fact that he lost many millions doing so proves it was a gamble. You seem to suggest that ashley will consider the likelihood of relegation when deciding on a new manager when history proves he'll always gamble on the cheap option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22186 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I guess it's win win for the doom-mongers though. We do ok and they're happy because we're doing ok, do badly and they're right. Pretty joyless existence that though. The doom mongers You mean the realists. Only the deluded are yet to accept the craic with Ashley's nufc. This is the reality, it has been for seven years now and it's shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The team are now picked by the guy who used to put out the cones and he was given the job by the other guy who used to fill in the reserves team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7084 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I guess it's win win for the doom-mongers though. We do ok and they're happy because we're doing ok, do badly and they're right. Pretty joyless existence that though. The mong-mongers just mong on regardless. There's fuck all joy under Ashley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Because he bet. Therefore it was a gamble. The fact that he lost many millions doing so proves it was a gamble. You seem to suggest that ashley will consider the likelihood of relegation when deciding on a new manager when history proves he'll always gamble on the cheap option. You're talking about something I know a lot about. As do several members of this forum. You're currently making yourself look very silly, I'm letting you know that now. Maybe I should do as some on this site and go on about how wrong you are for the rest of eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 How am i wrong? He lost money on a spread bet. It's fucking gambling. Tit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 So if he'd done exactly the same thing through the futures market, that would not be a bet? You're entire argument hangs on the word 'bet'. If we're assuming that gambling means negative expected value transactions, then a spread bet is not necessarily gambling at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The doom mongers You mean the realists. Only the deluded are yet to accept the craic with Ashley's nufc. This is the reality, it has been for seven years now and it's shite. There are clear changes in approach over the 7 years depending where the club were tbf. Spent to try get fans on side. Slash and burn sales to steady the wage bill Moderate investment for promotion and to secure PL status. Spent more in summer than in the previous 5 summers combined in a limited attempt to push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 He lost money on a bet. It's gambling. Run along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) And the fact that he lost money means it was a bet? Jesus wept you are thick. Any business venture that ever lost money was gambling. Edited January 27, 2015 by to dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17698 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The team are now picked by the guy who used to put out the cones and he was given the job by the other guy who used to fill in the reserves team sheet. Am far from happy with the appointment but lets get it right....Carver is literally very well qualified to coach top level professional footballers and has been for over a decade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_managers_and_coaches_who_have_qualified_for_the_UEFA_Pro_Licence Qualified in 2004 Mark Bowen[1] Paul Bracewell John Carver Stephen Constantine Steve Coppell Kevin Dillon Iain Dowie Wally Downes David Geddis Joe Jordan Bryan Klug Nicky Law Brian Laws Steve McClaren[1] Neil McDonald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 He lost money on a bet. It's gambling. Run along. You're a simpleton. You have no concept of what you're talking about and you're too ignorant to even know how ignorant you are. Not many things I will call someone on, but I've got you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The mong-mongers just mong on regardless. There's fuck all joy under Ashley. Yeah it's ridiculous to expect Newcastle United to survive. What a mong I am... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 And the fact that he lost money means it was a bet? Jesus wept you are thick. Any business venture that ever lost money was gambling. Sure. And your point is that spread betting isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Literally one word you think you understand. If I 'bet' that apple is going to gain over the next month on good information, do you understand how that is not gambling as we are discussing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10972 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The doom mongers You mean the realists. Only the deluded are yet to accept the craic with Ashley's nufc. This is the reality, it has been for seven years now and it's shite. Is it more or less realistic that Newcastle United will be relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22186 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 There are clear changes in approach over the 7 years depending where the club were tbf. Spent to try get fans on side. Slash and burn sales to steady the wage bill Moderate investment for promotion and to secure PL status. Spent more in summer than in the previous 5 summers combined in a limited attempt to push on. One thing is consistent: shite end result other than one fluke season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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