Next NUFC Manager

[Rayvin 5223]

As much as I dislike him and his vision for the club I try to look at it from Ashley's point of view. Keeping Carver until the end of the season when relegation is unlikely (we're 8 points clear of the drop zone and most relegated teams average less than a point a game over the course of season) makes sense as it saves money. Appointing Carver full-time come the summer makes no sense at all as it massively jeopardises the club's Premier League status next season, which in turn would cost Ashley a lot of money.

 

This is my feeling on it as well. Even if we accept that Ashley knows very little about football, from a business point of view, keeping Carver on makes very little sense. Ashley would have very little concept of how well he'd do when left to his own devices across a full season, and having a relatively low profile manager in place is unlikely to be an attraction to the kinds of players we hope to bring in (i.e. young, cheap and looking to make an impression for their big money move somewhere else).

[trophyshy 7083]

 

DOOOOOM

 

We're not going to get a Head Coach in the summer

But if we do he'll be shit

and if he's not he won't be backed

and if he is they'll be shit

and if they're not they'll be sold

and if they're not we'll still be out of the cups by January

and if we're not we'll be relegated

 

 

How do you get through the day without drawing a blade across your own throat?

 

Does that go to Blaydon Races? Apt tbf.

[PaddockLad 17261]

Has Schteve said on the QT that he's definitely coming this summer regardless of how Derby get on?...

 

There was a manger did that recently and I can't think who it was...get a club into the premier league then leave for another that summer....

[trooper 940]

 

Well lets all back Carver Ashley Charnley & co everything at the clubs great, lets continue to have the piss took out of us after all it's what we deserve. You honestly can't tell me you trust Carver to avoid relegation 1 draw at home to Burnley & 3 defeats in the 4 he's been in charge thats relegation form. I can't think of any other job we're you we be rewarded like this for doing so badly. It wouldn't be so bad if they'd said it's Carver until the summer then we've got A.N. Other signed up but there's not so much as a hint if they've got someone lined up for the job long term why not say. Unless of course the provision for Garde etc coming is we are still a premiership club & even Charnley doesn't trust that to happen. A professional club run by amateurs.

[David Kelly 1245]

But if we accept Ashley knows fuck all about football why would you think that if Carver keeps us up, that he won't think he would be a good manager full time? Especially when you go back to how his managerial appointments have gone previously. They've been either, Club Legends to try and get the fans onside (something he no longer cares about), cronies (something I assume he's ran out of) or coaches who've just been given the job short term and then left in it. It seems more than possible to me that Carver could stay in the job if we stay up.

[NJS 4385]

Problem is I can see a Roeder repeat if he does "well". I'd much rather they continued to look/negotiate in the background if necessary and get a pre-agreement with someone.

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

When he's appointed there'll be articles in the chronicle telling us it was the result of a player lead campaign fronted by fan favourites Coloccini and whoever is flavour of the month with fans at the time

[OTF 7295]

Not at all surprising.

[Dr Gloom 21923]

I'm now gutted to have missed out on Pulis. A new low under Ashley

[The Fish 10857]

Well lets all back Carver Ashley Charnley & co everything at the clubs great, lets continue to have the piss took out of us after all it's what we deserve.

Pretty sure my stance on Ashley's stewardship is clear?

You honestly can't tell me you trust Carver to avoid relegation 1 draw at home to Burnley & 3 defeats in the 4 he's been in charge thats relegation form.

I honestly trust the rest of the Premier League's shitness to permit NUFC survival this season

I can't think of any other job we're you we be rewarded like this for doing so badly.

You don't take an interest in politics?

It wouldn't be so bad if they'd said it's Carver until the summer then we've got A.N. Other signed up but there's not so much as a hint if they've got someone lined up for the job long term why not say.

It sounds to me like they've a few options to take control in the summer, but they're going to hold off announcing their decision until then.

Unless of course the provision for Garde etc coming is we are still a premiership club & even Charnley doesn't trust that to happen.

I don't even know where to start with this bit?

A professional club run by amateurs.

 

Ashley & Co want a Premier League club operating in the top half, they don't want to spend a lot of money to achieve that modest target and believe they have the formula to provide it. Given we were relegated under a different transfer policy, they can point to the current approach and say it's successful. They can point to the trendline that shows that since he took over the average point return is increasing and from that suggest their policy will continue to "work".

 

They're gambling that we've accrued sufficient points so far to get us another 17-20, which should be enough for survival.

If the Premier League continues as it has been we'll end up with 46, comfortably clear of the problems below us.

If however the Premier League continues as it has in the last 6 games (which we can all agree were fucking shocking) We'll end up with a piss poor 37 points, which should still be enough to keep us out of the problem area.

 

Obviously loads can happen between now and then, but my confidence isn't in Carver, it's in the players & the awfulness of other teams.

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

Those that think he wouldn't gamble with our safety next year need to have a word with themselves. How much did he gamble on HBOS?

Edited January 27, 2015 by ClubSpinDoctor

[The Fish 10857]

But if we accept Ashley knows fuck all about football why would you think that if Carver keeps us up, that he won't think he would be a good manager full time? Especially when you go back to how his managerial appointments have gone previously. They've been either, Club Legends to try and get the fans onside (something he no longer cares about), cronies (something I assume he's ran out of) or coaches who've just been given the job short term and then left in it. It seems more than possible to me that Carver could stay in the job if we stay up.

 

Honestly, I think they would have announced him as new Head Coach now, rather than stating they'll announce their decision in the summer.

 

I understand it's underwhelming, but some people on here are going on like we're 100% nailed on for the drop, despite being 11th and despite there being a whole load of shit beneath us. We're not great, I accept that, but the way people are carrying on you'd think we were rock bottom and had nothing but 16 games against Chelsea and Man City away.

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

The Fish in "failing to see bigger picture" shocker

Edited January 27, 2015 by ClubSpinDoctor

[David Kelly 1245]

Honestly, I think they would have announced him as new Head Coach now, rather than stating they'll announce their decision in the summer.

 

I understand it's underwhelming, but some people on here are going on like we're 100% nailed on for the drop, despite being 11th and despite there being a whole load of shit beneath us. We're not great, I accept that, but the way people are carrying on you'd think we were rock bottom and had nothing but 16 games against Chelsea and Man City away.

They didn't pick Hughton straight away though did they? That's why I think it's a definite possibility he'll stay as a permenent manager (not saying I definitley think it will happen just a posibility that we'd be foolish to discount).

 

As for the threat of relegation. We've played well and picked up points in only a very small portion of the last 13 months now. If we continue to play that badly we won't pick up many more points whereas the shite beneath us are actually a. Picking up in their form (Bunley, Leciester, WBA all picking up points) b. Bringing in managers with a proven ability to save teams from relegation (WBA with Pulis) and c. Actually trying to improve their teams to improve their chances of survival. Whereas we are bang out of form, have no manager, and won't sign anyone despite starting the season short of centrebacks and losing one of the ones we had for the rest of the season. OK our league position now is far from desperate but if we lose to Hull (one of the few teams who's form is near as bad as ours presently) it's going to start looking a lot closer to being that way.

[trophyshy 7083]

If he does okay or better, i.e. anything above 15th, then he'll 'deserve a chance at a full season'.

 

If he just avoids relegation, even if it's on GD, the narrative by then will be 'he steered us to safety' rather than 'he fucking put us down there'. This miraculous 'survival' will be spun as 'deserves a chance'.

 

If he gets us relegated it will be 'deserves the chance to bounce straight back' as he's not had time to apply his method, injuries, geordie, SBR, minimum wage, chocolate starfish, etc.

 

Other outcomes look unlikely based on past reality. "Just run the fucka on fumes Lee."

 

I hope we get relegated and georhadi terrorists blow up the stadium.

[The Fish 10857]

 

Just for balance, the returning players may improve our style of play and with it the points return. We're as likely to finish the season 9th as we are 14th imo

 

For us to get relegated we'd need to freefall (which despite what the Beeb & Sky tell you, doesn't actually happen all that often), at the same time as a stack of teams below us find, from somewhere as yet undiscovered, the wherewithal to drag themselves out of the mire.

 

I don't believe that 3 from Leicester, QPR, Hull, Burnley, sunderland will leap frog us. I've seen as much in their season's form to suggest the majority of them will remain in that struggle as I have seen reasons to be calm in our season's form.

 

Add to those terrible sides;

Villa, They've scored 11 goals all season. Paul Lambert loves a draw.

Palace, the new manager bump will disappear and Pardew will revert to type; going for the draw at home to Hull.

Everton, they've been struggling to find the net consistently and they're leaking goals. Add to that the extra Europa League fixtures.

West Brom, I reckon the team most likely to benefit from this window; Pulis + a signing or two and they'll enjoy a bump.

 

I think we'll be safe because we've a better squad than most below us already and we've a few key players to come back like De Jong, Aarons, & Santon add to that a couple who can make a difference in R.Taylor & Obertan.

[The Fish 10857]

I guess it's win win for the doom-mongers though.

 

We do ok and they're happy because we're doing ok, do badly and they're right.

 

 

Pretty joyless existence that though.

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

De Jong a key player already?

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

Fishtmas Tree

[Kid Dynamite 7027]

Has CT taken over Fish's account?

 

We have John Carver in charge of our football team ffs. He's made a career putting out cones. He's the lowest paid manager in the league by a country mile for a reason. We have every right to be fucked off by the decision. 1 point from 4 games and we were 3-1 up in that game! The blokes a liability already and if he mentions the spirit of SBR once more he's genuinely

taking the piss

[Rayvin 5223]

 

Just for balance, the returning players may improve our style of play and with it the points return. We're as likely to finish the season 9th as we are 14th imo

 

For us to get relegated we'd need to freefall (which despite what the Beeb & Sky tell you, doesn't actually happen all that often), at the same time as a stack of teams below us find, from somewhere as yet undiscovered, the wherewithal to drag themselves out of the mire.

 

I don't believe that 3 from Leicester, QPR, Hull, Burnley, sunderland will leap frog us. I've seen as much in their season's form to suggest the majority of them will remain in that struggle as I have seen reasons to be calm in our season's form.

 

Add to those terrible sides;

Villa, They've scored 11 goals all season. Paul Lambert loves a draw.

Palace, the new manager bump will disappear and Pardew will revert to type; going for the draw at home to Hull.

Everton, they've been struggling to find the net consistently and they're leaking goals. Add to that the extra Europa League fixtures.

West Brom, I reckon the team most likely to benefit from this window; Pulis + a signing or two and they'll enjoy a bump.

 

I think we'll be safe because we've a better squad than most below us already and we've a few key players to come back like De Jong, Aarons, & Santon add to that a couple who can make a difference in R.Taylor & Obertan.

 

Going against the trend here somewhat, I basically think that this is right. That said, you're saying it too soon after the event for most people, I think

 

Appointing Carver will be an acceptable decision if a) we aren't relegated and b ) we hire someone who is actually half decent in the summer who would otherwise not have been available now.

 

Appointing Carver will be a terrible decision if we are a) relegated, b ) he gets the job long term c) we hire someone godawful instead. The thing is, I reckon they could get someone godawful now if they really wanted to, which is why it's at least tempting to think that they might bring in someone decent.

Edited January 27, 2015 by Rayvin

[The Fish 10857]

Has CT taken over Fish's account?

 

We have John Carver in charge of our football team ffs. He's made a career putting out cones. He's the lowest paid manager in the league by a country mile for a reason. We have every right to be fucked off by the decision. 1 point from 4 games and we were 3-1 up in that game! The blokes a liability already and if he mentions the spirit of SBR once more he's genuinely

taking the piss

 

I guess I just don't understand why everyone is losing their shit when it was widely accepted that it would happen? I've made my peace with Carver being in charge until the summer.

 

Every rumour that is negative is guaranteed to happen, every rumour that is positive is dismissed out of hand...

 

If anyone took the reaction on here as fact you'd honestly expect Newcastle to close for business within a week. We're 100% asured of relegation, we're never going to sign anyone, we're never going to have a good coach, we're going to sell every single player we have (bar Elliot and Williamson), and so on

 

I'm not happy with the appointment, but I'm not whining on like some kind of girl who's trying to have a period either.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*© Rik Mayal

[ClubSpinDoctor 0]

The reason 50k dick heads still show up every fortnight, ladies and gents...

[Kitman 2207]

Carver is a shit appointment, everyone has a perfect right to complain. The only thing that would make it excusable is if we get a really good manager in the summer. And I think whilst an 8 point head start should be enough to stave off relegation, I think it's still a gamble to put Carver in charge. Our season is a write off and we're run by penny pinching fuckwits, so it's perfectly justified to be pissed off about this imo.

[adios 717]

Those that think he wouldn't gamble with our safety next year need to have a word with themselves. How much did he gamble on HBOS?

Just because an investment doesn't work out doesn't mean he's sticking 300m on black ffs. Both decisions are made on what he thinks will happen enough of the time, so he's not going to just say 'fuck it' with Newcastle if he thinks Carver will cost him more money than changing the head coach.