Terrorism

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-22/kabul-intercontinental-hotel-18-dead-including-14-foreigners/9347848

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/27/scores-of-people-wounded-and-several-killed-in-kabul-blast

[ewerk 30610]

An 'ISIS' gunman has taken hostages in a supermarket in Montpellier.

[Alex 35082]

Fuck's sake. That's not going to end well

 

[Kid Dynamite 7027]

As it’s highly unlikely he’s going to surrender let’s hope they just storm the building and put a bullet in his head.

 

Big time ISIS, taking over supermercado’s ffs

[Renton 21625]

Doesn't @adios live in Montpelier? 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Renton

[ewerk 30610]

Aye, not as glamorous as he lets on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montpelier,_County_Limerick

[zerosum 234]

Wish ISIS would just fuck off.

[ewerk 30610]

Have we considered telling them to shut up and go away?

[adios 717]

32 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Aye, not as glamorous as he lets on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montpelier,_County_Limerick

  

 

I used to live in the Beziers/Carcassonne (find that in Ireland, motherfucker!) areas but never that close to Montpellier.

 

Currently live about as far off the western tip of Europe as possible without moving to Iceland.  3 years in London before this too, do you not read my blog or something @Renton

[Dr Gloom 21923]

what a massive cunt 

[Dr Gloom 21923]

not you, adios, the gunman

[adios 717]

Don't like the implication that I'm not the gunman (or a massive cunt).

[zerosum 234]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

Have we considered telling them to shut up and go away?

maybe worth a try

[ewerk 30610]

If worked so well with Russia.

[ewerk 30610]

A police officer who swapped with one of the hostages has died. That’s heroism.

[ewerk 30610]

The swapping bit, not dying obvs.

[Rayvin 5223]

Brave man. RIP.

[Gemmill 44879]

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/09/olly-murs-suggests-oxford-circus-terror-scare-could-have-been-a-cover-up

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

57 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/09/olly-murs-suggests-oxford-circus-terror-scare-could-have-been-a-cover-up

 

The article sums up his music, irrelevant.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894]

So the Toronto terrorist is an anti feminist https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/24/toronto-van-attack-facebook-post-may-link-suspect-with-incel-group 

 

@Rayvin do you know him?

[Rayvin 5223]

45 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

So the Toronto terrorist is an anti feminist https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/24/toronto-van-attack-facebook-post-may-link-suspect-with-incel-group 

 

@Rayvin do you know him?

 

Nope. He sounds like a man who spent a lot of time being incredibly angry on the internet though. Do you know him?

[Meenzer 15526]

[Rayvin 5223]

In fairness, we touched on this stuff a little while ago in the Peterson debate. These guys are a real problem, and tbh I think it's fair to say that they hate normal men almost as much as they seem to hate women. Anyone who can successfully navigate relationships with the opposite sex.

 

The problem seems to be that they self-radicalise, and it's depressing to see where it takes them. I am sure that the Guardian will give this some detailed OpEd coverage now, so maybe we can learn a bit more about where he came from - but honestly I feel that this stems from two groups of men. You have older men who have either been emotionally damaged in relationships with women, or who have simply never been able to form any meaningful relationships, and have ended up bitter and hostile - or you have younger men who lack confidence and social skills, and who retreat away from dealing with these issues. I don't know the correct approach to either group from a mental health standpoint, but the latter I would argue need to be empowered so that they can build up self confidence, and realise that they don't need to be defined by who they are or are not sleeping with. Instead though, they will now face castigation, and widespread criticism - which will entrench their attitude that the world is against them, and IMO, make them more likely to do things like this.

 

I worked on the board of a counselling charity for a couple of years and the (female, feminist) CEO made the point that domestic violence would never be successfully tackled because no one was prepared to spend money on where the actual problem was - the mental health of the men attacking their partners. It was politically unpleasant to consider doing such a thing, and so instead the focus was on helping women to escape. Her argument was that both approaches were needed to be able to keep women safe. As with so many other aspects of modern life, I despair that we are unable to take a logical approach to fixing a problem. In the case of 'incels', to actually attempt to reverse their isolation from society, and catch them early on so that they can be encouraged to integrate into society properly. Instead, we will stand on the sidelines and yell at them, as we do with Muslim terrorists, instead of actually looking at why these things happen.

 

TL;DR - I'm just being a bleeding heart again.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894]

20 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

In fairness, we touched on this stuff a little while ago in the Peterson debate. These guys are a real problem, and tbh I think it's fair to say that they hate normal men almost as much as they seem to hate women. Anyone who can successfully navigate relationships with the opposite sex.

 

The problem seems to be that they self-radicalise, and it's depressing to see where it takes them. I am sure that the Guardian will give this some detailed OpEd coverage now, so maybe we can learn a bit more about where he came from - but honestly I feel that this stems from two groups of men. You have older men who have either been emotionally damaged in relationships with women, or who have simply never been able to form any meaningful relationships, and have ended up bitter and hostile - or you have younger men who lack confidence and social skills, and who retreat away from dealing with these issues. I don't know the correct approach to either group from a mental health standpoint, but the latter I would argue need to be empowered so that they can build up self confidence, and realise that they don't need to be defined by who they are or are not sleeping with. Instead though, they will now face castigation, and widespread criticism - which will entrench their attitude that the world is against them, and IMO, make them more likely to do things like this.

 

I worked on the board of a counselling charity for a couple of years and the (female, feminist) CEO made the point that domestic violence would never be successfully tackled because no one was prepared to spend money on where the actual problem was - the mental health of the men attacking their partners. It was politically unpleasant to consider doing such a thing, and so instead the focus was on helping women to escape. Her argument was that both approaches were needed to be able to keep women safe. As with so many other aspects of modern life, I despair that we are unable to take a logical approach to fixing a problem. In the case of 'incels', to actually attempt to reverse their isolation from society, and catch them early on so that they can be encouraged to integrate into society properly. Instead, we will stand on the sidelines and yell at them, as we do with Muslim terrorists, instead of actually looking at why these things happen.

 

TL;DR - I'm just being a bleeding heart again.

 

I would argue that the current approach is itself sexist treating the women as victims rather than the root cause of mental health. But we are still light years where we should be treating mental health. If we treated it properly how much would crime figures fall and how much better would American presidents be.