ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/20/paris-shooting-policeman-killed-on-champs-elysees Shot before he had the opportunity to inflict any further damage. He could've done a lot of damage in eight minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, ewerk said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/20/paris-shooting-policeman-killed-on-champs-elysees Shot before he had the opportunity to inflict any further damage. He could've done a lot of damage in eight minutes. I'm not accepting that as an example, he targeted armed Police with a gun! I don't think it was his objective to go on an 8 minute killing spree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Right but if he does that in the UK what happens? He kills the cops then danders on home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, ewerk said: They're all the same to you. whooops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 still, i think it's admirable that a prominent muslim politician can speak frankly about the extra responsibility on the muslim community's shoulders. this isn't something that can be enforced, but honest discussion about integration should be encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Right but if he does that in the UK what happens? He kills the cops then danders on home? It's worth asking why he used a gun to target them. The ones over here use knives. Like I said terrorists would adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: still, i think it's admirable that a prominent muslim politician can speak frankly about the extra responsibility on the muslim community's shoulders. this isn't something that can be enforced, but honest discussion about integration should be encouraged. Yeah fair enough, I posted it because I thought his sentiments would resonate with some people. Not sure what the Muslim community can do now that it isn't already doing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said: It's worth asking why he used a gun to target them. The ones over here use knives. Like I said terrorists would adapt. Guns are more readily available in mainland Europe. It isn't as easy over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: Guns are more readily available in mainland Europe. It isn't as easy over here. Until you start creating more of gun culture, for example by arming police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 How does that increase guns on the street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ewerk said: How does that increase guns on the street? Criminals would feel more compelled to carry one. Supply and demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 And do you think at this point it just hasn't occurred to them to buy one? Supply doesn't increase when it's severely restricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: And do you think at this point it just hasn't occurred to them to buy one? Supply doesn't increase when it's severely restricted. I wouldn't have any bother buying class A drugs if I were that way inclined Edited June 5, 2017 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yeah fair enough, I posted it because I thought his sentiments would resonate with some people. Not sure what the Muslim community can do now that it isn't already doing though. report people in the community who they suspect are being radicalised, report any radical preaching in mosques etc and focus more on the positive aspects of integration javid talks about. i don't know how that is done exactly - perhaps some kind of programme could be developed between community and religious leaders that promotes british life and values and demonstrates how it is compatible with religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 And what has that got to do with guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: report people in the community who they suspect are being radicalised, report any radical preaching in mosques etc and focus more on the positive aspects of integration javid talks about. i don't know how that is done exactly - perhaps some kind of programme could be developed between community and religious leaders that promotes british life and values and demonstrates how it is compatible with religion. The thing is though, the ones that are happy to report people are probably already doing so. It sounds as though the guys who did this latest attack had been reported. If the Muslim community reports them, and the police don't have the staffing or don't take the threat seriously, I'm not sure pointing the finger at Muslims helps much. Also, those that resist reporting them aren't going to be swayed by Javid because they're likely some way along to being indoctrinated themselves. So again, what does this call to arms in the Muslim community offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: And what has that got to do with guns? Because you said severe restrictions won't stop demand increasing supply. There's more resources go into restricting drug supply than gun supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 You understand the differences in the supply chain though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: javid Final answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ewerk said: You understand the differences in the supply chain though? You're waffling now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30580 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Manufacturing guns and manufacturing drugs are very different. I'm finding the need to explain all this to you very tedious at this point. For the sake of everyone on this board I shall bow out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Quiff wins again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) I dunno Quiff, the point stands; why would terrorists suddenly be more able to get their hands on guns if we armed the police? You're suggesting that they haven't the motivation to do so at the moment? I'd find that odd, because they could do plenty more damage with guns. Anyway, I don't intend to get caught up in this, just thought I'd assist in refocusing. EDIT - ah, ewerk has given up with it anyway nevermind then. Edited June 5, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: Manufacturing guns and manufacturing drugs are very different. I'm finding the need to explain all this to you very tedious at this point. For the sake of everyone on this board I shall bow out. Not sure what relevance the manufacturing process has when there's probably already enough guns in the world to arm the entire country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: I dunno Quiff, the point stands; why would terrorists suddenly be more able to get their hands on guns if we armed the police? You're suggesting that they haven't the motivation to do so at the moment? I'd find that odd, because they could do plenty more damage with guns. Anyway, I don't intend to get caught up in this, just thought I'd assist in refocusing. There'd be 120k extra guns in the country immediately by arming all of our officers. How long 'til one 'falls into the wrong hands'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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