adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 "Known to police" could mean a wide range of things and we can't just lock up everyone on the grounds of suspicion or some misdemeanour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21256 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: Why are all the perpetrators always "Known to police"? So that means the police know they are a threat surely, so why are they free to maim and murder innocent people on our soil? It doesn't make sense, I thought the authorities are employed to protect us? Because we don't live in minority report world yet, at a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5173 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Aye, I get the sentiment but that's the path down towards a police state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Because the snoopers charter meant we can just look at peoples internet history instead of wasting money on police that we could be using to fake reduce national debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Renton said: Because we don't live in minority report world yet, at a guess. Nicely put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Absolutely pointless the Snooper's Charter then as these attacks just keep on coming. Edited May 23, 2017 by Anorthernsoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30236 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: Aye, I get the sentiment but that's the path down towards a police state. We were doing it during the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Renton said: Because we don't live in minority report world yet, at a guess. There's no smoke without fire though, there's no coincidence that these people flagged up on the Terror spectrum go onto carry out or be involved in attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'd imagine the security forces have been very effective given how rare these events are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: Absolutely pointless the Snooper's Charter then as these attacks just keep on coming. It's almost as if terrorism was a scare tactic to get people to accept the huge violation of privacy that it entails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5173 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: We were doing it during the 70's. Fair enough point but for who? If we do it now, we're going to end up targeting 'certain communities', which is arguably only going to make the problem worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30236 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: Fair enough point but for who? If we do it now, we're going to end up targeting 'certain communities', which is arguably only going to make the problem worse. Which is exactly what happened in the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30236 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Not to mention it's now completely at odds with the HRA and would make us the No.1 target for Islamic terrorism in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21256 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: Absolutely pointless the Snooper's Charter then as these attacks just keep on coming. You don't know how many have been prevented. We're told it hundreds though. Some will always slip the net. It's horrible but something we he to accept and try to put in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5173 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Which is exactly what happened in the 70's. Right, so we even have recent precedent to demonstrate why this would be a bad idea. 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Not to mention it's now completely at odds with the HRA and would make us the No.1 target for Islamic terrorism in the world. Aye exactly. Although at the end of the day we aren't powerless here. We're choosing to remain tolerant, and I think that's laudable. Edited May 23, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21256 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Which is exactly what happened in the 70's. The lyric "one less white nigger came though my headphones as I read that". Synchronicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Renton said: The lyric "one less white nigger came though my headphones as I read that". Synchronicity. Posted at 3:33! Edited May 23, 2017 by adios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Renton said: You don't know how many have been prevented. We're told it hundreds though. Some will always slip the net. It's horrible but something we he to accept and try to put in context. We'll probably never know, it's pure speculation. Also sadly this will be no consolation to anyone directly affected by the attack. The words "On the Police's radar" will be sickening. It also has to be said that the muslim community have a part to play in this aswell, there'll be people that know things are going on but remaining silent. There has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Aye, I'd like to publically apologise for all the atrocities committed by the IRA in my lifetime while we're handing out blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34812 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, adios said: I'd imagine the security forces have been very effective given how rare these events are. Yeah, I'm pretty cynical about most things but I'm genuinely surprised this hasn't happened a lot more often in this country in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, adios said: Aye, I'd like to publically apologise for all the atrocities committed by the IRA in my lifetime while we're handing out blame. Stop being a wanker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21807 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I know Isis claimed responsibility but they always do. if turns out it's an Isis-inspired lone wolf, rather than a co-ordinated attack, there's not much that can be done to prevent copycat strikes without an even bigger crackdown on civil liberties. I think on balance the security forces have got things about right. This was the worst attack by far since 2005 and we have only seen a handful since then. If we suddenly see this sort thing happen every few weeks or months then things might change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Anorthernsoul said: Stop being a wanker. Not the time for it, but you're not being sensible at the moment (which is to be expected). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5173 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said: We'll probably never know, it's pure speculation. Also sadly this will be no consolation to anyone directly affected by the attack. The words "On the Police's radar" will be sickening. It also has to be said that the muslim community have a part to play in this aswell, there'll be people that know things are going on but remaining silent. There has to be. Now isn't the time for assigning blame like, it's too raw. Eventually though, there is going to be an awkward conversation about this - not because it's necessarily merited, I might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34812 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ant said: later here up till the 90s tbh, i still remember being a wee fella and walking through the checkpoints in royal avenue and mum etc getting bags searched walking into primark in town And on the way out, after taking one look at you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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