ewerk 30598 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Okay. Any details on more places that haven't been evacuated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Buchanan galleries in Glasgow have not been evacuated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2964 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 No. Obviously some kind of interaction has happened. https://mobile.twitter.com/MotherLeopard92/status/866959220066979840/video/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3892 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, ohhh_yeah said: No. Obviously some kind of interaction has happened. https://mobile.twitter.com/MotherLeopard92/status/866959220066979840/video/1 Looks like a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4248 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I was near the arena last night. The reaction by the emergency services and the people of Manchester was absolutely amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Struggling with this today. Heartbroken for the bairns, parents and other victims and injured, proud of my friends in the emergency services in Manchester, relieved that friends and their children got out safe, tearful at the stories of kindness in the community, despair at the whole fucking mess that is unfolding once again. Helpless at all of it and annoyed at myself for getting upset when trying to explain it to the bairn this morning. It's all too close to home and I can't bear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Yes, there was something about this which I found really hard to take. Particularly the age of those targetted I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up. I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up. I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still. He waited till the end then entered through the exits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up. I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still. Doors are opened all around at the end of a performance to help people get out rapidly. Easy to wander in unchecked at that point.. or just stand by a busy exit and detonate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up. I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still. It wasn't necessarily someone who attended the concert. Lots of people come up to the arena to pick others up at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2964 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 7 years old! Way too young! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, NJS said: He waited till the end then entered through the exits. 6 minutes ago, Happy Face said: Doors are opened all around at the end of a performance to help people get out rapidly. Easy to wander in unchecked at that point.. or just stand by a busy exit and detonate. 6 minutes ago, catmag said: It wasn't necessarily someone who attended the concert. Lots of people come up to the arena to pick others up at the end. Makes a bit more sense now then. Maybe a review is needed on exiting, although I imagine that would cause massive delays for everyone. I'd be happy to pay that price in time spent personally though, given the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21606 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Makes a bit more sense now then. Maybe a review is needed on exiting, although I imagine that would cause massive delays for everyone. I'd be happy to pay that price in time spent personally though, given the alternative. It could happen anywhere. Only thing that in stop it is intelligence, which brings it's own issues. It's the targeting kids thing that gets me too. Utterly depraved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17246 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alex said: The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on. Aye, I think it's too early too. Edited May 23, 2017 by adios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alex said: The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on. Fair enough. I tend to reach for practical solutions when things like this happen but I have to confess I've struggled with this one. What can you do against such unfeeling hatred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21606 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Always soft and easy targets. Look at Nice. Drive an HGV down a promenade, no bomb even needed. I can think of plenty of other ways to commit mass murder which haven't been done yet too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17246 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alex said: The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on. In London for a show two Saturdays ago, made a day of it. Tube to Embankment, wandered up to Trafalgar Square, up Whitehall to Westminster to go and look at the old kings and queens at Westminster Abbey. The only group more numerous than tourists like us were the armed police. Frisked and bag search at abbey entrance. Headed back towards the south bank over Westminster bridge feeling decidedly strange, most pedestrians on opposite side of the bridge from the attack in March. Queued up for London eye, again frisked and bag searched. I felt reassured by the searches and the armed police everywhere. This is, whether we like it or not, the society that the foreign policy of successive western governments has created. It's all very well for Hopkins to blame immigrants but she misses the point by a fuckin mile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 If he wanted to then he could have just detonated it on a busy tram. Increased security will mean that they simply move to softer targets and it's impossible to secure every area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, ewerk said: If he wanted to then he could have just detonated it on a busy tram. Increased security will mean that they simply move to softer targets and it's impossible to secure every area. How do you know that this concert was not purposefully selected for the demography that was in attendance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 It may well have been but my point was that he could cause plenty of death in other locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 We are talking about the sickest of people trying to incite the most illicit of hatred along with the terror. Truly sad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Why are all the perpetrators always "Known to police"? So that means the police know they are a threat surely, so why are they free to maim and murder innocent people on our soil? It doesn't make sense, I thought the authorities are employed to protect us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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