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Struggling with this today.

 

Heartbroken for the bairns, parents and other victims and injured,  proud of my friends in the emergency services in Manchester, relieved that friends and their children got out safe, tearful at the stories of kindness in the community, despair at the whole fucking mess that is unfolding once again. Helpless at all of it and annoyed at myself for getting upset when trying to explain it to the bairn this morning. It's all too close to home and I can't bear it.

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Yes, there was something about this which I found really hard to take. Particularly the age of those targetted I guess.

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Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up.

 

I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still.

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6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up.

 

I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still.

He waited till the end then entered through the exits. 

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6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up.

 

I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still.

 

Doors are opened all around at the end of a performance to help people get out rapidly.  Easy to wander in unchecked at that point.. or just stand by a busy exit and detonate.

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6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Aren't they supposed to bag check everyone at these events anyway? Surely this shows that the security measures ahead of such events need to be tightened up.

 

I mean, I dunno how obvious a nail bomb would be, but still.

 

It wasn't necessarily someone who attended the concert. Lots of people come up to the arena to pick others up at the end.

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7 minutes ago, NJS said:

He waited till the end then entered through the exits. 

 

6 minutes ago, Happy Face said:

 

Doors are opened all around at the end of a performance to help people get out rapidly.  Easy to wander in unchecked at that point.. or just stand by a busy exit and detonate.

 

6 minutes ago, catmag said:

 

It wasn't necessarily someone who attended the concert. Lots of people come up to the arena to pick others up at the end.

 

Makes a bit more sense now then. Maybe a review is needed on exiting, although I imagine that would cause massive delays for everyone. I'd be happy to pay that price in time spent personally though, given the alternative.

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3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

 

 

Makes a bit more sense now then. Maybe a review is needed on exiting, although I imagine that would cause massive delays for everyone. I'd be happy to pay that price in time spent personally though, given the alternative.

 

It could happen anywhere. Only thing that in stop it is intelligence, which brings it's own issues. 

 

It's the targeting kids thing that gets me too. Utterly depraved. 

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The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on.

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4 minutes ago, Alex said:

The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on.

 

Aye, I think it's too early too.

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2 minutes ago, Alex said:

The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on.

 

Fair enough. I tend to reach for practical solutions when things like this happen but I have to confess I've struggled with this one. What can you do against such unfeeling hatred?

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Always soft and easy targets. Look at Nice. Drive an HGV down a promenade, no bomb even needed. I can think of plenty of other ways to commit mass murder which haven't been done yet too. 

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3 minutes ago, Alex said:

The thing is (and it's probably too early to talk about it) people are happy with extra security at first, then complacency comes in, then it's just a hassle etc. Also, could you imagine trying to stop that at somewhere like SJP on a match day? It's virtually impossible imo. They'll always find another, new soft target I think. Obviously I would want all reasonable precautions to be taken and so on.

In London for a show two Saturdays ago, made a day of it. Tube to Embankment, wandered up to Trafalgar Square, up Whitehall to Westminster to go and look at the old kings and queens at Westminster Abbey. The only group more numerous than tourists like us were the armed police. Frisked and bag search at abbey entrance. Headed back towards the south bank over Westminster bridge feeling decidedly strange, most pedestrians on opposite side of the bridge from the attack in March. Queued up for London eye, again frisked and bag searched. I felt reassured by the searches and the armed police everywhere. This is, whether we like it or not, the society that  the foreign policy of successive western governments has created.  It's all very well for Hopkins to blame immigrants but she misses the point by a fuckin mile. 

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If he wanted to then he could have just detonated it on a busy tram. Increased security will mean that they simply move to softer targets and it's impossible to secure every area.

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23 minutes ago, ewerk said:

If he wanted to then he could have just detonated it on a busy tram. Increased security will mean that they simply move to softer targets and it's impossible to secure every area.

How do you know that this concert was not purposefully selected for the demography that was in attendance?

 

 

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Why are all the perpetrators always "Known to police"? So that means the police know they are a threat surely, so why are they free to maim and murder innocent people on our soil? It doesn't make sense, I thought the authorities are employed to protect us?

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