Terrorism

[Dr Gloom 22510]

i love germany. berlin is currently my favourite city in europe. cool as fuck

[adios 717]

Just for holding an ice cold pint like it's a tumbler of whisky.

[Tooj 17]

Any idea what brand of Islam this guy was supposedly adhering to? Due to his Saudi links Wahhabism perhaps?

[Tooj 17]

i love germany. berlin is currently my favourite city in europe. cool as fuck

I want to go back just to go to the currywurst museum.

[Rayvin 5572]

I want to go back just to go to the currywurst museum.

 

They have those??

[Dr Gloom 22510]

Any idea what brand of Islam this guy was supposedly adhering to? Due to his Saudi links Wahhabism perhaps?

The massive twat brand

[Happy Face 29]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/25/khalid-masood-was-a-convert-with-a-criminal-past-so-far-so-familiar

 

Jason Burke always excellent on jihadi trends...

 

Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis), which established its new caliphate in 2014, offers adventure, camaraderie, violence, excitement, relative comfort, cash rewards and even sexual opportunity in a way which contrasts dramatically with the asceticism of previous militant groups like al-Qaeda.

 

A young man from Dortmund or Lyon or Sheffield could thus expect much that a gang back home offered but repackaged. Violence was no longer wrongdoing but resistance, and even redemption. The extremist’s selective teaching of religious texts encouraged former criminals to see themselves as washed of former sins by their commitment to jihad.

 

 

A disproportionately high number of militants involved in plots in the west have been converts. In the UK between 2001 and 2013, 12% of “homegrown jihadists” were converts, but less than 4% of the overall Muslim population were. In the US, the total in 2015 was 40%, against an overall level of 23%.

 

There is little systematic research but conversion appears to precede any interest in radicalism in most cases. The most likely scenario therefore is that Masood’s personal journey to extremist violence depended on social media, radical websites, and informal networks of like-minded activists, combined with external events in the Middle East or twists in his personal life. A real decision to participate in violence – to kill and be killed as a “martyr”– could have come quite suddenly, and quite recently.

[Happy Face 29]

Seen some discussion on increased surveillance doing its job earlier, so here's another of his that adds more context to the reasons we've only had one death from Islamic attacks on the UK for a decade

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/24/isis-celebration-over-the-london-attack-is-a-dance-of-defeat?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

This is due to various factors. One has been the the declining influence of al–Qaida, the veteran group responsible for the 9/11 strikes, which was based in Pakistan, where around a million Britons have roots. By 2011, al-Qaida was hugely weakened and the connection between Britain and Pakistan was less relevant. By 2014 the group had been supplanted as the world’s leading jihadi organisation by Isis, while Afghanistan and Pakistan had been replaced by Syria and Iraq as the crucible of global jihad.

 

 

Another factor has been the reduced role played by the UK in Afghanistan and Iraq – wars that at their height acted as a recruiting sergeant for jihadi groups.

 

New counter-terrorist strategies after the 2005 attacks, more resources and legislation also made a significant difference.

[Park Life 71]

What happened to those costly and much vaunted French De-radicalisation sites?

 

''The French government's flagship program to deradicalize jihadists is a "total failure" and must be "completely reconceptualized," according to the initial conclusions of a parliamentary fact-finding commission on deradicalization.

The preliminary report reveals that the government has nothing to show for the tens of millions of taxpayer euros it has spent over the past several years to combat Islamic radicalization in France, where 238 people have been killed in jihadist attacks since January 2015. The report implies that deradicalization, either in specialized centers or in prisons, does not work because most Islamic radicals do not want to be deradicalized.

 

The report, "Deindoctrination, Derecruitment and Reintegration of Jihadists in France and Europe" (Désendoctrinement, désembrigadement et réinsertion des djihadistes en France et en Europe) — the title avoids using the word "deradicalization" because it is considered by some to be politically incorrect — was presented to the Senate Committee on Constitutional and Legal Affairs on February 22.

The report is the preliminary version of a comprehensive study currently being conducted by a cross-party task force charged with evaluating the effectiveness of the government's deradicalization efforts. The final report is due in July.

Much of the criticism focuses on a €40 million ($42 million) plan to build 13 deradicalization centers — known as Centers for Prevention, Integration and Citizenship (Centre de prévention, d'insertion et de citoyenneté, CPIC) — one in each of France's metropolitan regions, aimed at deradicalizing would-be jihadists.''

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/france-deradicalization-jihadists-total-fiasco?page=1

 

I heard one bloke turned up and asked for a new flat and money.

 

Lush.

 

Edited March 25, 2017 by Park Life

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/26/intelligence-services-access-whatsapp-amber-rudd-westminster-attack-encrypted-messaging#comments

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Manipulating the public at an emotional time to push their bollocks and pointless spying agenda. They already passed a bill that they justified with scaremongering. Horrible pair of witches Edited March 26, 2017 by TheGingerQuiff

[Happy Face 29]

600 suicides from unreasonable back to work interviews for the disabled don't demand any change. 4 deaths in 4 years from Terrorism, THAT demands action.

[Dr Gloom 22510]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39392442?SThisFB

[Rayvin 5572]

Nice move from them. Should help to detoxify and he issue a bit.

[ewerk 31586]

There'll still be the same dickheads asking when are muslims going to speak out against these attacks?

[Dr Gloom 22510]

It is exactly what was required to diffuse tension. Good on them. The country feels united on this issue, unlike Brexit, which has divided us down the middle. Speaking of which .,,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/27/parts-of-uk-that-voted-for-brexit-may-be-hardest-hit-study-finds

[Dr Gloom 22510]

I watched that jihadi next door thing on Netflix last night. While the hate preachers it featured were grotesque, it's pretty clear they operate on the fringes of British society and are shunned by the majority.

[Rayvin 5572]

I watched that jihadi next door thing on Netflix last night. While the hate preachers it featured were grotesque, it's pretty clear they operate on the fringes of British society and are shunned by the majority.

At the same time though, I think there was a channel 4 study that said a third of Muslims wouldn't turn in someone they suspected to be planning a terrorist incident. Not saying that's true, but it was a poll of Muslims.

 

EDIT - Sorry, it's a third -would- turn them in (and it's concerning Syria rather than terrorism). Not sure what the others would do, but there's probably not enough information to make a sensible judgement:

 

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

Edited March 27, 2017 by Rayvin

[Rayvin 5572]

The rest of the survey notes:

 

• A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to their local area (91%). This is higher than the national average (76%)

• A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to Britain (86%). This is higher than the national average (83%)

• A large majority of British Muslims feel that they are able to practice their religion freely in Britain (94%)

• British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that they can influence decisions affecting Britain (33% vs 21%)

• British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that their local MP reflects their views (44% vs 41%)

• 88% of British Muslims think that Britain is a good place for Muslims to live

• 78% of British Muslims would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws

[Dr Gloom 22510]

the amazing thing about these characters on the netflix thing was they were complaining about a lack of free speech in the uk, as if that's something they'd have under sharia. they were clearly supporters of isis but continued to say they weren't throughout, basically because it's now illegal to do so and they could get nicked for it. then there was a particularly awful scene where they watch isis execution videos, while smirking. 

[PaddockLad 17940]

600 suicides from unreasonable back to work interviews for the disabled don't demand any change. 4 deaths in 4 years from Terrorism, THAT demands action.

The equivalency police want a word with you

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Waterboard 'em then ask again

[NJS 4446]

The rest of the survey notes:

• A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to their local area (91%). This is higher than the national average (76%)

• A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to Britain (86%). This is higher than the national average (83%)

• A large majority of British Muslims feel that they are able to practice their religion freely in Britain (94%)

• British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that they can influence decisions affecting Britain (33% vs 21%)

• British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that their local MP reflects their views (44% vs 41%)

• 88% of British Muslims think that Britain is a good place for Muslims to live

• 78% of British Muslims would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws

All good. But the responses on homosexuality, blasphemy, apostasy and inter-marriage in the same survey were very worrying.

[Dr Gloom 22510]

apostasy man  

[Rayvin 5572]

Yep, very true. I wonder how far those proporations differ from the rest of the demographics though. Well, the homosexuality part at least. I'm guessing blasphemy isn't a big issue for your average guy on the street.