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What the fuck is she on about. How are people cowed and disunited? Looked to me like all the MPs went back to work this morning, along with the police. If anything shit like this superficially brings people together.

 

Even I have to accept that the Tory who tried to save that police officer now has the rare honour of being a Conservative MP who I have some respect for. He joins Ken Clarke to take the total number to 2.

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What the fuck is she on about. How are people cowed and disunited? Looked to me like all the MPs went back to work this morning, along with the police. If anything shit like this superficially brings people together.

 

Even I have to accept that the Tory who tried to save that police officer now has the rare honour of being a Conservative MP who I have some respect for. He joins Ken Clarke to take the total number to 2.

I can confirm everybody here went home as normal and turned up this morning as normal.

 

It's a pisser but not the end of the world.

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i was more affected by the paris attacks than this, weirdly, despite working just over a mile from westminster bridge. tragic as this one was, the paris attacks seemed more horrific and it was more frightening that a coordinated attack on that scale wasn't prevented. 

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business as motherfucking usual basically. except for the trains, they were running on time for once, weirdly. stick that in your pipe and smoke it, jihadis 

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business as motherfucking usual basically. except for the trains, they were running on time for once, weirdly. stick that in your pipe and smoke it, jihadis

Overhead wire problems at Romford - people muttering "cunts" under their breath with more venom than yesterday's shit provoked.
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How do you stop an isolated, disenfranchised, radicalised lad in Solihull hiring a car, driving down to London, ploughing through a crowd and stabbing some people?

 

There can't be as many warning flags in his behaviour prior to the incident as there would be for a more complex, coordinated attack?

 

I mean, obviously the plan would be to stop them becoming radicalised in the first place, but once they are... :dunno:

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How do you stop an isolated, disenfranchised, radicalised lad in Solihull hiring a car, driving down to London, ploughing through a crowd and stabbing some people?

 

There can't be as many warning flags in his behaviour prior to the incident as there would be for a more complex, coordinated attack?

 

I mean, obviously the plan would be to stop them becoming radicalised in the first place, but once they are... :dunno:

 

Genuinely not much. Sounds like MI5 have to make a call on which 'possible' terrorists are most likely to go for it, and you can't expect them to always get it right.

 

I imagine there's a point at which cracking down on civil liberties would reduce this sort of thing to a point where it's not possible, but we'd probably be talking about some incredibly extreme situation.

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you can't prevent a lone wolf from waking up one day and deciding to turn a car into a killing machine. 

 

I get why people use that term, but it does make me chuckle. Like they're a maverick copper in an 80's movie, rather than a dickhead.

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you can't prevent a lone wolf from waking up one day and deciding to turn a car into a killing machine. 

 

You could take away the ideology, the access to dissenting opinions, you could persecute people and curtail individual freedoms. There is no way to prevent it while staying true to Western values though.

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You could take away the ideology, the access to dissenting opinions, you could persecute people and curtail individual freedoms. There is no way to prevent it while staying true to Western values though.

 

curtailing individual freedoms?

 

isn't that what has prevented any attacks like the one we saw on 7/7 occur on this soil since then?

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curtailing individual freedoms?

 

isn't that what has prevented any attacks like the one we saw on 7/7 occur on this soil since then?

 

This isn't something I was going to make a massive point over, but it does seem that the harder you curtail freedoms, the less probable stuff like this is. Presumably it follows that you reach a point where things like this can't happen, even if it's just a nutter in a car.

 

Presumably we consider that we have the balance about right, which I guess is encouraging? We do have a good record on preventing this stuff.

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curtailing individual freedoms?

 

isn't that what has prevented any attacks like the one we saw on 7/7 occur on this soil since then?

It's a delicate balance though, no?

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i think the lack of big, co-ordinated attacks suggest the balance has been about right the past decade or so

That's a fair enough comment which I don't think anyone was disputing. It was just a response to your response to Rayvin. The point is that you'd probably have to curtail personal freedoms to a far greater extent to completely rule out the possibility of something like this (probably beyond the range of what is currently even possible, even if you wanted to do it). I think that was Rayvin's point.

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