ewerk 30602 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 And who have they wheeled out to represent us across the pond: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15525 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5221 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) What the fuck is she on about. How are people cowed and disunited? Looked to me like all the MPs went back to work this morning, along with the police. If anything shit like this superficially brings people together. Even I have to accept that the Tory who tried to save that police officer now has the rare honour of being a Conservative MP who I have some respect for. He joins Ken Clarke to take the total number to 2. Edited March 23, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 She's not worth the attention she lives for tbh. Nothing to see here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4379 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 What the fuck is she on about. How are people cowed and disunited? Looked to me like all the MPs went back to work this morning, along with the police. If anything shit like this superficially brings people together. Even I have to accept that the Tory who tried to save that police officer now has the rare honour of being a Conservative MP who I have some respect for. He joins Ken Clarke to take the total number to 2. I can confirm everybody here went home as normal and turned up this morning as normal. It's a pisser but not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 i was more affected by the paris attacks than this, weirdly, despite working just over a mile from westminster bridge. tragic as this one was, the paris attacks seemed more horrific and it was more frightening that a coordinated attack on that scale wasn't prevented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 business as motherfucking usual basically. except for the trains, they were running on time for once, weirdly. stick that in your pipe and smoke it, jihadis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 It's the story Fox and all the cunts that watch it want to hear though isn't it? That bint is just playing to her audience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4379 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 business as motherfucking usual basically. except for the trains, they were running on time for once, weirdly. stick that in your pipe and smoke it, jihadisOverhead wire problems at Romford - people muttering "cunts" under their breath with more venom than yesterday's shit provoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 How do you stop an isolated, disenfranchised, radicalised lad in Solihull hiring a car, driving down to London, ploughing through a crowd and stabbing some people? There can't be as many warning flags in his behaviour prior to the incident as there would be for a more complex, coordinated attack? I mean, obviously the plan would be to stop them becoming radicalised in the first place, but once they are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15525 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 If I lived near Romford I'd be livid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5221 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 How do you stop an isolated, disenfranchised, radicalised lad in Solihull hiring a car, driving down to London, ploughing through a crowd and stabbing some people? There can't be as many warning flags in his behaviour prior to the incident as there would be for a more complex, coordinated attack? I mean, obviously the plan would be to stop them becoming radicalised in the first place, but once they are... Genuinely not much. Sounds like MI5 have to make a call on which 'possible' terrorists are most likely to go for it, and you can't expect them to always get it right. I imagine there's a point at which cracking down on civil liberties would reduce this sort of thing to a point where it's not possible, but we'd probably be talking about some incredibly extreme situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 you can't prevent a lone wolf from waking up one day and deciding to turn a car into a killing machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 you can't prevent a lone wolf from waking up one day and deciding to turn a car into a killing machine. I get why people use that term, but it does make me chuckle. Like they're a maverick copper in an 80's movie, rather than a dickhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5221 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 you can't prevent a lone wolf from waking up one day and deciding to turn a car into a killing machine. You could take away the ideology, the access to dissenting opinions, you could persecute people and curtail individual freedoms. There is no way to prevent it while staying true to Western values though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 ok, lone dickhead then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 You could take away the ideology, the access to dissenting opinions, you could persecute people and curtail individual freedoms. There is no way to prevent it while staying true to Western values though. curtailing individual freedoms? isn't that what has prevented any attacks like the one we saw on 7/7 occur on this soil since then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 perfect from the daily mash http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/youre-not-even-in-our-top-five-worries-londoners-tell-extremists-20151207104505?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5221 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 curtailing individual freedoms? isn't that what has prevented any attacks like the one we saw on 7/7 occur on this soil since then? This isn't something I was going to make a massive point over, but it does seem that the harder you curtail freedoms, the less probable stuff like this is. Presumably it follows that you reach a point where things like this can't happen, even if it's just a nutter in a car. Presumably we consider that we have the balance about right, which I guess is encouraging? We do have a good record on preventing this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 curtailing individual freedoms? isn't that what has prevented any attacks like the one we saw on 7/7 occur on this soil since then? It's a delicate balance though, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 i think the lack of big, co-ordinated attacks suggest the balance has been about right the past decade or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35079 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 i think the lack of big, co-ordinated attacks suggest the balance has been about right the past decade or so That's a fair enough comment which I don't think anyone was disputing. It was just a response to your response to Rayvin. The point is that you'd probably have to curtail personal freedoms to a far greater extent to completely rule out the possibility of something like this (probably beyond the range of what is currently even possible, even if you wanted to do it). I think that was Rayvin's point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5221 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) It was. It wasn't a big debating point though, I was just musing. Edited March 23, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30602 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Do we know that he was a lone wolf? The police has made eight arrests so clearly they haven't ruled out that others may have been involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5221 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 All known associates maybe? It is strange though - unless he was already on their radar I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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