ewerk 29842 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Which areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15201 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 The ones that voted Remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4547 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Which areas? Do you disagree with the "then" Labour Home Secretary who said "it was a spectacular mistake"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21620 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Do you disagree with the "then" Labour Home Secretary who said "it was a spectacular mistake"? which areas out of interest, CT? any you're familiar with? i'm struggling to think of any in the north east, or other largely white anglo saxon region which voted to remin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4547 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 which areas out of interest, CT? any you're familiar with? i'm struggling to think of any in the north east, or other largely white anglo saxon region which voted to remin I'm not playing this game. It's been discussed to death. If you disagree and think we didn't get it wrong then fine. It's pretty well accepted by all that we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20642 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I'm not playing this game. It's been discussed to death. If you disagree and think we didn't get it wrong then fine. It's pretty well accepted by all that we did. It was a mistake in the longer term and with hindsight imo. It fueled economic growth in the 2000's, but ultimately probably led to Brexit because of the issues it caused, even if a lot of this was ill founded perceptions. Still, most immigration is from outside of the EU. I wonder how a lot of Brexiters are going to feel when the poles are replaced by even cheaper labour from Asia, Africa, and South America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21620 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I'm not playing this game. It's been discussed to death. If you disagree and think we didn't get it wrong then fine. It's pretty well accepted by all that we did. right, so by playing a game, you mean answering a pretty straightforward question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4547 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It was a mistake in the longer term and with hindsight imo. It fueled economic growth in the 2000's, but ultimately probably led to Brexit because of the issues it caused, even if a lot of this was ill founded perceptions. Still, most immigration is from outside of the EU. I wonder how a lot of Brexiters are going to feel when the poles are replaced by even cheaper labour from Asia, Africa, and South America? The clever thing would be to have less unskilled immigration all around and start training enough nurses etc rather than the cheap immigration option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34321 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 So they can qualify and move somewhere nicer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29842 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Do you disagree with the "then" Labour Home Secretary who said "it was a spectacular mistake"? Answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 The clever thing would be to have less unskilled immigration all around and start training enough nurses etc rather than the cheap immigration option. Let's just take passports off the working classes and only let the elite travel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 The clever thing would be to have less unskilled immigration all around and start training enough nurses etc rather than the cheap immigration option. Is this not a strange thing for someone who fully endorsed austerity to say? Thought your view was that Labour overspent when they ploughed money into the NHS and caused the crash so we had to tighten our belts and live within our means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4547 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Is this not a strange thing for someone who fully endorsed austerity to say? Thought your view was that Labour overspent when they ploughed money into the NHS and caused the crash so we had to tighten our belts and live within our means? No, I had a problem with Labour borrowing from the corporate Wongas and screwing the financia abilities of most trusts for years to come. However, more home trained nurses would be money well spent imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 No Thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34321 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 No, I had a problem with Labour borrowing from the corporate Wongas and screwing the financia abilities of most trusts for years to come. But you were ok with austerity measures which saw the government borrow more than all previous Labour governments put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 20642 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 No, I had a problem with Labour borrowing from the corporate Wongas and screwing the financia abilities of most trusts for years to come. However, more home trained nurses would be money well spent imo. The Tories have scrapped nurse bursaries. What effect do you think this will have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4547 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 But you were ok with austerity measures which saw the government borrow more than all previous Labour governments put together. No, I'd much preferred it if Labour had left some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34321 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It wasn't a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9613 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It's a very sensitive issue in Germany so I don't really know which figures to believe but crime is definitely up. https://www.yahoo.com/news/migrants-linked-69-000-actual-crimes-germany-first-180518039.html http://www.therebel.media/refugees_in_germany_committed_69_000_crimes_in_just_three_months_in_2016 The number of crimes by immigrants rose in comparison over 2014 to 2015 by 79 percent, the number of refugees increased at the same time by 440 percent. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/644827/refugees-committed-crimes-Germany-migrant-crisis-last-year http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime The article by the express is surprisingly correct tbh. If you look at the increase in crimes committed by refugees you have to take into account that a huge number of these crimes are related to the status of refugees, e. g. crossing the border illegally, not leaving the country or using fake documents. A lot of the other crimes are minor offences and crimes where the victims are refugees as well. Especially if you look at more serious offences like gbh or murder cases nearly all victims are refugees as well. From a prosecutor's point of view (and that is what I do, mostly cases of capital crimes and robbery) immigrants do not pose a serious threat to people and our society. It's something different with terrorists. Even though the majority of recent events are not linked with terrorism it's totally clear that there is an increased threat of a major terrorist attack. But this threat has been there for several years and it's probably just a mix of luck and good investigation that most attempts in recent years failed (like a bomb discovered in cologne's train station) or got discovered in time (the so called Sauerland group). I am under no illusion that something serious will happen rather sooner than later. I still do not feel threatened by 99.99% of refugees who came here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5131 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Good post, thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21620 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 1 killed and 5 injured in a random stabbing attack in central London. Terrorism not being ruled out. Fits the description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 43314 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 It doesn't from what I've read. It sounds like someone mentally ill went daft with a knife. This "we can't rule out terrorism" line is something the press latch onto and the police basically have to say. All references to terrorism have been removed from the latest police commissioner statement. "mental health a significant factor" though. Which is borne out by an eye witness saying the bloke had a motorcycle helmet balanced on top of his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21620 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 either way, it's savage. it wouldn't surprise me though, if it is a lone wolf terrorist nutter, given what we've seen across Europe recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 43314 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Of course it's savage, it's murder. But if you just assume every incident is terrorism, you'll stop leaving your house before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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