Dr Gloom 21924 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Isis said 'just wait', in one of their sickening propaganda videos, didn't they? they warned that thousands of their operatives had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Isis said 'just wait', in one of their sickening propaganda videos, didn't they? they warned that thousands of their operatives had been smuggled into western nations hidden amongst innocent refugees. It may be bullshit but is it plausible? And even if not, each one of these individual incidents has the potential to fuel an anti-immigrant backlash. Merkel's words of welcome weren't very clever imo. May even have contributed to Brexit. Fuck knows what the solution is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 None of those groups blow themselves up though do they? I suppose you might want to argue he's a stray Tamil tiger or a lost kamikaze....... Being serious, do you think his Syrian refugee status is a concern? It's a numbers game really. If there's a continuous stream of attacks then at some point society will demand some sort of action. I would think however that it would have to be a pretty high number to tip it from the usual right wing protests to something more mainstream. No idea either in such a scenario what that action would be. Germany of course has had no real attacks as such. Be interested in what your working class Frenchman thinks as they have been hammered. Then there's Israel I suppose of your extreme closed off society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) There is some data knocking about somewhere reg Germany: Only about 40% are actually from Syria. Also the right to stay in Germany isn't going to be as easy as earlier thought as this latest case shows. I mean what I saw at the local main train station in Hamburg was 'Carry on Up the Khyber' stuff. All sorts registering, very few with id (I swear some locals have cashed in). It was annoying like as its on the way back from the posh supermarket and a couple of times I ended up giving my treats away to tired looking wastrels in the queue. Edited July 25, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 You gave them heroin? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 5223 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's a numbers game really. If there's a continuous stream of attacks then at some point society will demand some sort of action. I would think however that it would have to be a pretty high number to tip it from the usual right wing protests to something more mainstream. No idea either in such a scenario what that action would be. Germany of course has had no real attacks as such. Be interested in what your working class Frenchman thinks as they have been hammered. Then there's Israel I suppose of your extreme closed off society. I have read that a large number of sex attacks (obviously not ISIS inspired) took place when the Germans brought in so many refugees. Much of this was covered up, and now the German police are shutting down groups voicing discontent at this situation. It sounds like populist backlash is being muted to a degree, probably to avoid the situation escalating. Maybe Parky would have a better idea how true this is, though. Aside from that, I'm not sure it would take much more for some serious manner of response. Maybe a particularly shocking attack that killed several hundred people? I really don't think we're that far off a severe reaction - I would imagine France is closer than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/07/11/europeans-fear-wave-of-refugees-will-mean-more-terrorism-fewer-jobs/ A few polls to view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I have read that a large number of sex attacks (obviously not ISIS inspired) took place when the Germans brought in so many refugees. Much of this was covered up, and now the German police are shutting down groups voicing discontent at this situation. It sounds like populist backlash is being muted to a degree, probably to avoid the situation escalating. Maybe Parky would have a better idea how true this is, though. Aside from that, I'm not sure it would take much more for some serious manner of response. Maybe a particularly shocking attack that killed several hundred people? I really don't think we're that far off a severe reaction - I would imagine France is closer than most. I'm not sure it would. 9/11 Then again, if Trump gets in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/07/11/europeans-fear-wave-of-refugees-will-mean-more-terrorism-fewer-jobs/ A few polls to view. Very interesting, Gypsies viewed twice as unfavorably as Muslims in some countries and more unfavorably overall. Poorly educated people in the uk twice as likely to think that diversity makes things worse than those with more education. Only 5% believe most Muslims would support ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Very interesting, Gypsies viewed twice as unfavorably as Muslims in some countries and more unfavorably overall. Poorly educated people in the uk twice as likely to think that diversity makes things worse than those with more education. Only 5% believe most Muslims would support ISIS. Nobody trusts a gypsy I suppose if you are well educated you are probably moving in circles with well educated immigrants. I think the last one pretty much goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I'm not sure it would. 9/11 Then again, if Trump gets in! 9/11 is going back some way in my political consciousness, but did it follow multiple and sustained low level terror attacks? Also, was the invasion of Afghanistan not a severe reaction...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 9/11 is going back some way in my political consciousness, but did it follow multiple and sustained low level terror attacks? Also, was the invasion of Afghanistan not a severe reaction...? I thought we were talking more about the indigenous populations backlash against Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Ah sorry, no. I was thinking state level responses to this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 You gave them heroin? FFS. The Afghans won't touch anything else ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I have read that a large number of sex attacks (obviously not ISIS inspired) took place when the Germans brought in so many refugees. Much of this was covered up, and now the German police are shutting down groups voicing discontent at this situation. It sounds like populist backlash is being muted to a degree, probably to avoid the situation escalating. Maybe Parky would have a better idea how true this is, though. Aside from that, I'm not sure it would take much more for some serious manner of response. Maybe a particularly shocking attack that killed several hundred people? I really don't think we're that far off a severe reaction - I would imagine France is closer than most. Sadly assaults on women have occurred like never before.....(Well if we discount my hair sniffing days). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785 Ah fuck it... just turn the middle east to glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) i can think of someone that may well do that Edited July 26, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 4 people at mass? If that church was a post office it would have to shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9421 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I have read that a large number of sex attacks (obviously not ISIS inspired) took place when the Germans brought in so many refugees. Much of this was covered up, and now the German police are shutting down groups voicing discontent at this situation. It sounds like populist backlash is being muted to a degree, probably to avoid the situation escalating. Maybe Parky would have a better idea how true this is, though. Aside from that, I'm not sure it would take much more for some serious manner of response. Maybe a particularly shocking attack that killed several hundred people? I really don't think we're that far off a severe reaction - I would imagine France is closer than most. Problem is also here, but we don't know it. Grooming/rape gangs specifically, but hushed up to avoid backlash. Source a blabby polis and corroborated later (co-incidentally) from someone who has a relative who's a child protection officer with Newcastle city council. That sexual assault in Leazes park which got into the news, much to the horror of police and authorities who kept it quiet, they said, because it would "jeopardize the investigation" but really because it was supposed to be hushed up, tip of the iceberg stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44888 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 4 people at mass? If that church was a post office it would have to shut. More of a geet mass shan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9777 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) I have read that a large number of sex attacks (obviously not ISIS inspired) took place when the Germans brought in so many refugees. Much of this was covered up, and now the German police are shutting down groups voicing discontent at this situation. It sounds like populist backlash is being muted to a degree, probably to avoid the situation escalating. Maybe Parky would have a better idea how true this is, though. Aside from that, I'm not sure it would take much more for some serious manner of response. Maybe a particularly shocking attack that killed several hundred people? I really don't think we're that far off a severe reaction - I would imagine France is closer than most. According the official data the number of registered sex offences went down from 2014 to 2015 http://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/2015/pks2015FlyerDeutsch,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/pks2015FlyerDeutsch.pdf New Year's Eve was extraordinary as things went out of hand in Cologne but that was also very much down to poor police tactics. There have been some serious problems with criminals from Northern Africa for some time (who are to a great extent responsible for the latest cases who made it into the press) but that has little to do with refugees coming from Syria. The main problem is to get rid of them as they have no passports and claim they come from countries that don't take them back. Edited July 26, 2016 by Isegrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Nice link you lunatic. I think we can trust the randoms on Facebook that are mates with coppers who tell them stuff on the quiet to get an overall picture on crime trends better than that gobbledigook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Nice link you lunatic. I think we can trust the randoms on Facebook that are mates with coppers who tell them stuff on the quiet to get an overall picture on crime trends better than that gobbledigook. Except if a crime isn't reported it won't show up as a statistic, will it? Rotherham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Except if a crime isn't reported it won't show up as a statistic, will it? Rotherham? Rotherham is a shithole but I wouldn't call it a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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