Dr Gloom 22142 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 i'm seeing reports of 23 already dead, a figure likely to rise during the day. awful pictures emerging on social media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22142 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 make that 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22142 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 EVERYONE has been urged to just stop and think about what they are going to say. Experts stressed that right now there is nothing to be gained from blaming an entire religion for an atrocity or accusing people of being racists or appeasers. Professor Henry Brubaker, from the Institute for Studies, said: “Right now, all we know for sure is that no-one is has faintest idea what to do. “It is just fucked up and horrible.” He added: “I know you’re just desperate to say something really emotive and accusatory and maybe even connect it to some other issue. But honestly, just don’t. “Maybe – this time – we could all just stop for a bit. Who knows, we might even learn something?” http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/everyone-urged-to-wait-before-expressing-opinion-about-horrible-event-20160322107395 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3961 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) EVERYONE has been urged to just stop and think about what they are going to say. Experts stressed that right now there is nothing to be gained from blaming an entire religion for an atrocity or accusing people of being racists or appeasers. Professor Henry Brubaker, from the Institute for Studies, said: “Right now, all we know for sure is that no-one is has faintest idea what to do. “It is just fucked up and horrible.” He added: “I know you’re just desperate to say something really emotive and accusatory and maybe even connect it to some other issue. But honestly, just don’t. “Maybe – this time – we could all just stop for a bit. Who knows, we might even learn something?” http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/everyone-urged-to-wait-before-expressing-opinion-about-horrible-event-20160322107395 And then UKIP speak up. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brussels-explosions-ukip-says-bombings-show-eu-freedom-of-movement-is-a-security-threat-a6945566.html Edited March 22, 2016 by Kevin Carr's Gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Aye and NBC news over here chose to have Donald fucking Trump ring in and speak on the matter, his contribution was idiotic and in no way insightful as to be expected. Awful awful scenes again, they're saying at least 26 killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35568 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Aye and NBC news over here chose to have Donald fucking Trump ring in and speak on the matter, his contribution was idiotic and in no way insightful as to be expected. Awful awful scenes again, they're saying at least 26 killed. You get the feeling that he and some of his supporters are over the moon when something like this happens. It's just an opportunity to push their agenda. Ditto UKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You get the feeling that he and some of his supporters are over the moon when something like this happens. It's just an opportunity to push their agenda. Ditto UKIP I think they completely are aye, he was immediately saying this backs up what he has been saying all along about borders and then went on a rant about how Brussels is one of the most dangerous places in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22142 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You get the feeling that he and some of his supporters are over the moon when something like this happens. It's just an opportunity to push their agenda. Ditto UKIP despicable comments from Alison Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3961 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You should be in my work bosses desperately trying not to be too quick to start sales calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I took the train to Brussels last week then flew out of from the airport last Tuesday morning to go to Vienna. My life remains close to these events but not directly impacted. I flew back from Manchester to Paris today and security was obviously nuts, made for a nervy day. I'd like to see a European version of Guantanamo and I would set the bar very low for interrogations. Literally hundreds of people have died in the last few months from terrorism, it's no longer acceptable to write off security concerns as attempts to invade privacy and control us. Can we blame Syrian air strikes and oppression in the Middle East on Belgium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7169 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Guantanamo? Torture? It's hardly worked for the US has it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 A European version wouldn't involve torture. Something needs to be done with all these people who have spent time with ISIS and have come back to Europe. We arrest the ones who murder but leave the openly dangerous ones who have fought with terrorists in Syria to do what they want. There are hundreds of them now living here and they all pose a threat. The idea of a European Guantanamo was first proposed to me by a Frenchman from a Muslim background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5294 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Which doesn't automatically make it right... What do we do with them once locked up exactly? Given that doing so is more likely to further radicalise them. We need to do something but EU Gitmo isn't it, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Are we currently letting known IS fighters roam the streets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-countries-around-the-world-that-suffer-most-from-terrorism--W1gwAl4fJlW A few interesting stats. I think there oughta be a gitmo next to each McDonalds at the very least. Teach them bastids a good lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21980 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Well there was a documentary on radio 4 last night, entirely coincidental to the latest atrocity, which quite shocked me. As Chez says, the majority of people returning from Syria aren't even taken in for questioning. Personally I think we need to maximize sensitivity now at the expense of specificity and lock these people up indefinitely unless they can prove beyond doubt they are innocent. Otherwise tell me what's the answer? Hope somehow radicalisation is going to stop by itself some how? We're not dealing with a normal terror group with political objectives here, people you can negotiate with. We are dealing with a death cult who quite literally hate everything the west stands for. Do a bit of reading if you doubt this. Edited March 23, 2016 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Nearly laughed out loud reading Chez's comment about hundreds of people dying at the hands of terrorists in the last few months. That figure is actually hundreds of thousands and last few decades actually. But then I realised he means Europe only. Which brought me to this: Everytime sometime like this happens you hope for once that the importance of human lives will not be have to be weighed against each other again. Its hopeless though. And that perhaps is at the very heart of what is wrong with us today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Are we currently letting known IS fighters roam the streets? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an "Intelligence" benefit to allowing such individuals operate normally, while having them under surveillance. The issue is surely the cell structure terrorists use. Following 1 guy may be useful for bringing down that cell (or even getting information on high-priority targets), but there could be another cell operating in the same city that aren't under the same level of scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4222 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Well there was a documentary on radio 4 last night, entirely coincidental to the latest atrocity, which quite shocked me. As Chez says, the majority of people returning from Syria aren't even taken in for questioning. Personally I think we need to maximize sensitivity now at the expense of specificity and lock these people up indefinitely unless they can prove beyond doubt they are innocent. Otherwise tell me what's the answer? Hope somehow radicalisation is going to stop by itself some how? We're not dealing with a normal terror group with political objectives here, people you can negotiate with. We are dealing with a death cult who quite literally hate everything the west stands for. Do a bit of reading if you doubt this. I'd like to know how much work has been done on who's funding and arming ISIS? How much help would it really be just trying to stop people from getting into places? Security check etc? Someone is bound to breakthrough sooner or later. You've got to hit it at the source, there's no other solution. Turn off the bloody tap rather than running around water thats falling down from the sink. Something like that. Dont know how to put it better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21980 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Nearly laughed out loud reading Chez's comment about hundreds of people dying at the hands of terrorists in the last few months. That figure is actually hundreds of thousands and last few decades actually. But then I realised he means Europe only. Which brought me to this: Everytime sometime like this happens you hope for once that the importance of human lives will not be have to be weighed against each other again. Its hopeless though. And that perhaps is at the very heart of what is wrong with us today. In a sense you're right that there is double standards at play. But frankly, what Europe cares for is the security of Europe first and foremost. I'm sure Pakistan is most concerned with the security of Pakistan. We're not a Muslim continent but the biggest threat to our security and, more importantly imo, freedoms, comes from an imported version of Islam. What do you expect us to do, wave our hands in the air and say that's okay because there are much worse things happening elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 We're not dealing with a normal terror group with political objectives here, people you can negotiate with. We are dealing with a death cult who quite literally hate everything the west stands for. Do a bit of reading if you doubt this. I'm not so sure, an IS fighter arrested in France stated that there was a specific reason behind the attacks on Europe, "they just want the [coalition] airstrikes to stop." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'd like to know how much work has been done on who's funding and arming ISIS? Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other "allies". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 In a sense you're right that there is double standards at play. But frankly, what Europe cares for is the security of Europe first and foremost. I'm sure Pakistan is most concerned with the security of Pakistan. We're not a Muslim continent but the biggest threat to our security and, more importantly imo, freedoms, comes from an imported version of Islam. What do you expect us to do, wave our hands in the air and say that's okay because there are much worse things happening elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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