Park Life 71 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Smoking should be banned in outside areas including all London's parks and famous landmarks like Trafalgar and Parliament Square, former Health Minister Lord Darzi has proposed. It would mean 40 per cent of London – 20,000 acres – would be smoke-free, more than any other city in the world. The plan is backed by Dame Sally Davies, chief medical officer, and is expected to be taken up by Boris Johnson, London Mayor." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11161450/Ban-smoking-in-London-parks-Lord-Darzi.html Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4712 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Ridiculous. Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 It is a bit. It's obviously an effort to de-normalise smoking but I can't see it having a massive effect. More of a headline grabbing stunt that Boris will latch on to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Nah that's too far imo, even as a non-smoker. It's not like people are waltzing around parks blowing smoke into prams. Find it a bit rich when people (not this person like, it is sort of their job) get a bit on their high horse about the health problems while at the same time drink so much poison on a weekend that their bodies will actually make them vomit to prevent death. Or eat so much junk that their heart packs in. From the article I agree with banning smoking in cars with kids in it though, long journeys with a smoker in a confined space can't be great for young children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10659 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 How're they going to enforce it, in what Forbes says is the planets 2nd most visited city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think they should definitely ban smoking in cars when children are on board and at school gates/children's playgrounds. I'm more than happy to live and let live but if I've got the bairn at the park and there's a bunch of mothers puffing away on cigs (whilst normally ignoring their precious offspring) and dropping fag ends on the ground where the kids are playing, I just find it unacceptable. I don't think you can ban it in parks in general - where will it end? People can smoke in their own houses and that's all? But then should they be allowed to smoke if there are children in the house too? Whilst tobacco is a legal substance and the government are reaping the taxes from it, they can't really ban the use of it in 'public.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10659 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 It is a bit. It's obviously an effort to de-normalise smoking but I can't see it having a massive effect. More of a headline grabbing stunt that Boris will latch on to. BoJo has come out against it, says it's going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Tory arsehole doing it just to make me look silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think they should definitely ban smoking in cars when children are on board and at school gates/children's playgrounds. I'm more than happy to live and let live but if I've got the bairn at the park and there's a bunch of mothers puffing away on cigs (whilst normally ignoring their precious offspring) and dropping fag ends on the ground where the kids are playing, I just find it unacceptable. I don't think you can ban it in parks in general - where will it end? People can smoke in their own houses and that's all? But then should they be allowed to smoke if there are children in the house too? Whilst tobacco is a legal substance and the government are reaping the taxes from it, they can't really ban the use of it in 'public.' Fish is right like. You make the point about dropping butts but that's already punishable by a heavy fine and that's virtually never enforced. Probably have a alcohol ban on the parks where you take your laddie too and the same applies there too. As to the logical conclusion of things like this which you mention, i.e. only smoking in the home, I was going to make a similar point about how that's more detrimental to the health of their kids, etc. Agree about smoking in cars to the extent that people shouldn't do it but it's another one that's difficult to enforce and you shouldn't really need to legislate against that. Smoking / drinking etc. whilst pregnant / breastfeeding is worse but again I don't really think legislation would make much difference there. As with smoking in cars, the education about it as at the stage now where everybody knows the implications so it's only the absolute fucking morons who do it anyway. It smacks of popularist bollocks with little (if any) positive impact in terms of health benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10659 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Fish is right like. You make the point about dropping butts but that's already punishable by a heavy fine and that's virtually never enforced. Probably have a alcohol ban on the parks where you take your laddie too and the same applies there too. As to the logical conclusion of things like this which you mention, i.e. only smoking in the home, I was going to make a similar point about how that's more detrimental to the health of their kids, etc. Agree about smoking in cars to the extent that people shouldn't do it but it's another one that's difficult to enforce and you shouldn't really need to legislate against that. Smoking / drinking etc. whilst pregnant / breastfeeding is worse but again I don't really think legislation would make much difference there. As with smoking in cars, the education about it as at the stage now where everybody knows the implications so it's only the absolute fucking morons who do it anyway. It smacks of popularist bollocks with little (if any) positive impact in terms of health benefits. Should have just ended there, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 One of the best ones is where you can't smoke at a bus shelter (even a one with 3 sides open to the elements) but you can stand a foot away and it's ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7066 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Just make tobacco illegal you massive fucking hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 You can still smoke in most bars in Hamburg and Berlin...It's frightening what's happening in England. 30,000 pubs have shut down since the smoking ban...They estimate about 100,000 jobs gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 None of which is to do with rising beer prices, a fucked world economy, reduced disposable income and cut-price supermarket alcohol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 None of which is to do with rising beer prices, a fucked world economy, reduced disposable income and cut-price supermarket alcohol? Taxi driver said it was the fags... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Was it also him that gave you the figure of 30,000 closed pubs? C'mon, you should be the last person I need to tell to think for themselves. Well, Wolfy last, then you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I had to open my big mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15345 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30160 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 How can a government dictate what we can and can't do ? That's kinda their job, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34718 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Actually think there's some truth in some of what Wolfy says although I don't buy the idea of it all being part of a big coherent plan. Certainly not to the extent he does. Read some similar thoughts before and the idea of the 'freedom of the internet' actually being a type of prison isn't something new and has been put forward by Adam Curtis (mentioned in the ISIS thread) amongst others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15345 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Actually think there's some truth in some of what Wolfy says although I don't buy the idea of it all being part of a big coherent plan. Certainly not to the extent he does. Read some similar thoughts before and the idea of the 'freedom of the internet' actually being a type of prison isn't something new and has been put forward by Adam Curtis (mentioned in the ISIS thread) amongst others. Yes, but wolfy calls it "denprison" and that makes it his idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4712 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Most people believe the government is there to help the average Joe. You don't spend a lot of time talking to people do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now