Alex 34913 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 12/09/2018 at 15:52, Alex said: Good chance India will win in Australia this winter. They'll have a bowling attack arguably as good as Australia's and the latter won't have Warner or Smith available. Called it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Australia's batting never looked that great last year, it was just that Smith was completely out of this world and he managed to carry the rest of them. If he hadn't been playing I think we would have won even without Stokes. Without Smith and Warner the Aussie batting line up looks fucking dreadful. Fair play to the Indian bowlers though, in particular Bumrah who seems to be giving batsmen all over the world nightmares at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11160 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The talk has been about why the Australian bowlers weren't able to get the ball to move much. (cough - sandpaper - cough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 20 hours ago, David Kelly said: Australia's batting never looked that great last year, it was just that Smith was completely out of this world and he managed to carry the rest of them. If he hadn't been playing I think we would have won even without Stokes. Without Smith and Warner the Aussie batting line up looks fucking dreadful. Fair play to the Indian bowlers though, in particular Bumrah who seems to be giving batsmen all over the world nightmares at the moment. The Indian pace bowlers were a handful when they toured England last summer. Definitely the makings of a top test side there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: The Indian pace bowlers were a handful when they toured England last summer. Definitely the makings of a top test side there. Yeah if their batsmen could cope with the moving ball better then it would have been a much closer series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Well, this is going well so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Solid ashes prep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 However well you think England might be doing, they’re never that far away from the next batting collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 The batting has been utterly pathetic so far. I hope Hammeed has a massive return to form at the start of the county season because we're seriously lacking in a top order. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, David Kelly said: The batting has been utterly pathetic so far. I hope Hammeed has a massive return to form at the start of the county season because we're seriously lacking in a top order. His rehabilitation should be a priority for the ECB but he’s not very good at scoring runs quickly and the whole English county game is all about white ball cricket with the Championship pushed to the margins. It’s bizarre when you consider how much the public like Test cricket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Aye I think they need to look at changing how they do things. I suppose to be fair they recognised how far we'd fallen behind in white ball cricket and changed things successfully there but I think it's been to the detriment of the test team. I think that might be partly because of having Bayliss as coach. He's definitely more of a white ball coach. I think it may be time to look at splitting the role after his contracts ends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Aye I think they need to look at changing how they do things. I suppose to be fair they recognised how far we'd fallen behind in white ball cricket and changed things successfully there but I think it's been to the detriment of the test team. I think that might be partly because of having Bayliss as coach. He's definitely more of a white ball coach. I think it may be time to look at splitting the role after his contracts ends. Strauss admitted from the off the ODI team and by extension winning the World Cup was the priority. But it’s not like things will drastically change after this summer even if England lose The Ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 It’s still unclear what our best opening three is going into the ashes. Question marks over who plays at five too. Loads of exciting attacking batsmen who can, on their day, be destructive, but who are being bounced up and down the order too much in lieu of quality test batsmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 ian bell averaged over 50 in the cc last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: ian bell averaged over 50 in the cc last year In division 2. I think that ship has sailed tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I was joking, sort of. He’s been man of the series in the ashes before - who else is there? The dearth of quality test openers is so bad, I wouldn’t be against putting one of the destructive batsmen up top with burns with the license to have a dart. It worked with Sehwag and Warner so might be worth a punt. Still doesn’t solve the number three spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Burns still hasn’t fully convinced either but you have to back someone at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I think Burns has done enough to suggest he might make it. Was interesting hearing Compton talk about how Bayliss’ comments about him needing to score quicker ate away at him. Compton has probably looked as good as any of the players they’ve tried post-Strauss. Obviously he’s retired now but I find it ridiculous that you would pick a player based on their first class performances then ask them to change the way they play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 It’s a 5 day game, they don’t all have to score quickly. I thought Compton was hooked too quickly the first time he had a run in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: It’s a 5 day game, they don’t all have to score quickly. I thought Compton was hooked too quickly the first time he had a run in the side. Also there was that match (away series v South Africa?) where he was out trying to hit a 6. I think England were only a few runs from winning if my memory serves me right. I wonder if he’d have done better if he’d not had that in the back of his mind. In test cricket people seem to have forgotten being 60-0 after 20 overs is better than being there after 8 overs. It’s all about seeing off the new ball and tiring the opening bowlers. Edit: even more so with our middle order Edited February 6, 2019 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Playing three traditional test openers at the top of the order to take the shine off the new ball would set up the innings for our more aggressive stroke-makers. Problem is we can’t even find one of them. Hoping you’re right about Burns and that he makes a big score in the final test against the windies to boost his confidence before the ashes Edited February 7, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11160 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I had been laughing at the Aussies, after the India series and some spectacular top order collapses against Sri Lanka, but I have retreated into my shell after the last two tests in the WI. Even when the other team is showing England what they need to do on the pitch, they will not do it, and say they want to play aggressive cricket. Sometimes you just need to hang around first, to allow yourself to play aggressive cricket later. They all seem to want to score a century at a run a ball, and all they end up doing is scoring a few at a run a ball. Muppets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Root's comments about not winning games by scoring slowing were ridiculous really. The only player we have who seems to trying to convert to playing in a 'test' way is Stokes. But he's probably the player, given that he's the all rounder, that want to play in the way the rest of them are. The top order is the real problem though, the stroke players can't come in and play their way because the bowlers aren't being tired and ball isn't being worn. But when you look at which top order batsmen are scoring runs in County Cricket all you have is Burns and Hildreth (who's 34 I think) and Bell in division two. I think Roy may as well be given a chance even if he's just told to go out and get a quick score. That might not do the wearing down job of an opener but it might mean that by the time we're a couple of wickets down we have some sort of score on the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 i think they have to stick with burns now. you have to give someone a run of tests at some point and see if they can grow into it. as long as they don't bring back jennings, vince or ballance. they've all had enough chances and all keep getting out the same way. i'd rather recall bell - at least he has some pedigree against the aussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34913 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I would say with Vince it’s been poor shot selection, whereas with Ballance and Jennings it’s poor technique. I appreciate that selecting the right shot at the right time is all about having the correct mentality for test cricket but I think it’s easier to set that right than the massive technical issues with the other two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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