The Cricket Thread

[RobinRobin 11202]

18 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

Yeah, that approach worked for winning the World Cup but it has to change if we want to do well in tests. We split the captaincy in tests and one dayers - I don’t see why the same can’t apply to coaches. They’re such different games now - the best one day coaches, like Bayliss, aren’t necessarily the guys you want devising batting strategy when the chips are down in a test match 

They did try it for a while, but when Bayliss came in he was on his own.  He is basically a limited overs coach, anyway, and was brought in for the purpose of winning the World Cup - although it would have been nice to have won the Ashes this year, as well.

I am all for separate coaches, in principle, but there still needs to be someone over them who can ensure that players are not burned out, because of competing requirements of those separate coaches. 

For example, the limited overs coach will want his players in the IPL, but the test coach will want them rested for the summer, or playing red ball cricket at home.

Not sure how we handle that, because, in the main, the core of the players is the same for each format.

[David Kelly 1224]

10 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

They did try it for a while, but when Bayliss came in he was on his own.  He is basically a limited overs coach, anyway, and was brought in for the purpose of winning the World Cup - although it would have been nice to have won the Ashes this year, as well.

I am all for separate coaches, in principle, but there still needs to be someone over them who can ensure that players are not burned out, because of competing requirements of those separate coaches. 

For example, the limited overs coach will want his players in the IPL, but the test coach will want them rested for the summer, or playing red ball cricket at home.

Not sure how we handle that, because, in the main, the core of the players is the same for each format.

Should the main core of players be the same though?  Is picking too many white ball players instead of red ball specialists weakening our test team?  Or is it just that we don't have the quality in red ball players.  We'd hoped the likes of Stoneman, Jennings and Hameed would come through and be fixtures in the test team but they've not been able to step up.

[RobinRobin 11202]

13 hours ago, David Kelly said:

Should the main core of players be the same though?  Is picking too many white ball players instead of red ball specialists weakening our test team?  Or is it just that we don't have the quality in red ball players.  We'd hoped the likes of Stoneman, Jennings and Hameed would come through and be fixtures in the test team but they've not been able to step up.

The main core does not have to be the same, it just so happens that the best cricketers are the best cricketers.  As you say, Stoneman, Jennings and Hameed have not shown up. 

The real problem was with Hameed, who seemed destined to be the next Cook, when in India, got injured there and has never got any sort of form back.  I am sure that everyone was dancing for joy at the ECB in his first test, but I suppose there have been lots of players over the years who have flattered to deceive.  He just seemed to have it all, especially at such a young age.  

[Alex 34963]

Hameed’s retirement pretty much sums up the state of English cricket 

[Dr Gloom 21869]

Retired? I heard Lancashire released him. Bloody hell! 

He was only early 20s. You’d think plenty of time to still make a decent career, even if not a test match player, rather than walk away. 

[Alex 34963]

 Might be wrong but I thought I’d read he’d decided to pack in after he was released. He’s a perfect example of a talent not being nurtured because he’s a red ball specialist. You can hardly blame Lancs though. If they put a lot of resources into a player like that there’s precious little for them to gain from it bar a bit of kudos if he makes the test side

[Dr Gloom 21869]

Aussies win the toss and field. I’ll take that. 

[Alex 34963]

Bit harsh on Overton like. Curran coming in is fair enough. How Bairstow keeps his place is beyond me

[David Kelly 1224]

Can't see anything online about Hameed retiring, just about the release from Lancashire.  He's actually averaged towards 30 this season which isn't great but is a massive improvement on his 9 from last season.  Durham are still struggling with their batting so maybe they can take a punt on him.

 

Canny drop of Root by Siddle.

[Dr Gloom 21869]

root has already had three lives in this innings, will he finally cash in?  

[Dr Gloom 21869]

root fails to convert a 50 again. just saw this on TMS

Joe Root - 50s: 44. 100s: 16.

Steve Smith - 50s: 26. 100s 26.

perhaps we're being too harsh on him, smith is a bit of a freak, but i think the reason we're harsh on Root is because he's out best batsman and he's not quite up there with smith, kohli and williamson. he gets loads of scores but doesn't go on to really punish the opposition enough. 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Dr Gloom

[Alex 34963]

Looks like a good opportunity squandered at this stage 

[Dr Gloom 21869]

It’s nowhere near enough runs on this pitch after being lucky to be inserted. It’s a bat first wicket. Should have been looking at at least 300. 

Smith will no doubt make us pay for it tomorrow. Sick to death of watching that cunt bat.

 

 

[Tom 14011]

A lad at work simply calls him “the freak”. 

[RobinRobin 11202]

8 hours ago, Tom said:

A lad at work simply calls him “the freak”. 

I think Gloomy's description is better 

[Meenzer 15467]

12 hours ago, Tom said:

A lad at work simply calls him “the freak”. 

 

There's only one Aussie who merits that name. 

 

[Alex 34963]

It’ll be all over pretty quick I’d imagine with ball being new and the bowlers refreshed. Barring something special from Buttler that’s nowhere near enough runs on the board 

[Alex 34963]

Burns’ catch though 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13842]

Stevie’s options for the poll btw  

[Tom 14011]

 

[Dr Gloom 21869]

2-2 probably about right in the end. could have been 3-1 either way - they were unlucky a stokes miracle innings denied them at headingly. we might have bowled them out at lords if we'd inserted them slightly earlier.

i think overall they won more sessions over the series than we did and deserved to retain the urn. we should do better down under next time with proper pace in archer, and hopefully wood if he can stay fit, to compliment the attack. should be more competitive than last time, at least, and this series showed there is life after anderson. our bowling is still excellent in home conditions, broad might have a few more summers left in him after all. the problem remains the flaky batting. it'll be interesting to see if the new coach continues with all the all rounders or brings in specialist test players - ben foakes for example didn't do a lot wrong before being discarded and is probably the best wicket keeper available. is there room for both buttler and bairstow etc

their bowling is good but smith holds their batting together. we would have spanked them without his runs. highlight of the series for me was david warner's batting - poetic. 

 

[Alex 34963]

Seeing them try and pretend to celebrate was good 

[Dr Gloom 21869]

slighty awks coming just after root and paine posed with the shared trophy

[Alex 34963]

Amazing to think it’s the first drawn series for 47 years 

[Dr Gloom 21869]

always feels like summer is properly over after the oval test match. it was 25 degrees with perfect blue skies down here yesterday. today: chilly with a blanket of low, grey clouds.