Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alex said: Funny because Swann reckons Moeen is one of the most naturally gifted spinners he's seen in recent years but he lacks the self belief. You'd have to have Lyon ahead of him though. The latter's turned into a genuinely class off-spinner. lyon has the better figures, but who would you want in your team? i think possibly moeen with the counterpunching threat he offers with the bat down at number 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Did you not see us just beating them 3-1? Over at yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 You also lost a match to the Windies at home. Hard to judge form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 minute ago, David Kelly said: Wasn't on the hard pitches though which is what I assume Ken's getting at. Mind you, they would have been hard when we beat them in SA. he just said we're not at their level, which is clearly nonsense given we've beaten them home and away in the two most recent series. they're obviously better suited to playing on hard pitches than us, as are the aussies but we're at a higher level than SA on recent form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35082 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: lyon has the better figures, but who would you want in your team? i think possibly moeen with the counterpunching threat he offers with the bat down at number 8 If he could find more consistency then Moeen. It's an issue of self-belief with him and his bowling. They'll go after him this winter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Ken said: Over at yours. we beat them at theirs too, dipshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: we beat them at theirs too, dipshit. Didn't realise. Too much cricket being played everywhere in all forms. Good effort though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35082 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 There's not much between the top 6 test teams. You'd pretty much bet on all of them to win at home and lose away in a 4 or 5 test series against any of the others. I appreciate Pakistan don't play 'at home' before some larrikin points that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 This Ashes series will go down to the wire. We aren't playing great, lack of confidence in the group atm. Pay dispute between players and cricketing body has been a massive distraction and tours to Bangladesh and India were pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 24 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: he just said we're not at their level, which is clearly nonsense given we've beaten them home and away in the two most recent series. they're obviously better suited to playing on hard pitches than us, as are the aussies but we're at a higher level than SA on recent form. Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 54 minutes ago, Ken said: This Ashes series will go down to the wire. We aren't playing great, lack of confidence in the group atm. Pay dispute between players and cricketing body has been a massive distraction and tours to Bangladesh and India were pointless. i don't think it'll be close. two evenly matched teams on paper, with similar strengths and weaknesses, but i think home advantage, and poor selections by england, will be enough for your lot to win 4-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 that said, i fancy us in the ODI series for once. we're looking a genuinely exciting team in that format for the first time ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i don't think it'll be close. two evenly matched teams on paper, with similar strengths and weaknesses, but i think home advantage, and poor selections by england, will be enough for your lot to win 4-1 So what are the expected changes from the eleven that beat South Africa then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: that said, i fancy us in the ODI series for once. we're looking a genuinely exciting team in that format for the first time ever I fancy our chances more in the ODI's tbh. We are almost unbeatable here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Gayle gone already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ken said: So what are the expected changes from the eleven that beat South Africa then? Stoneman for Jennings (which already happened against West Indies), Vince for Westley and Woakes for Rowland Jones. Maybe Ballance challenging Malan too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tom said: Gayle gone already Game over then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ken said: So what are the expected changes from the eleven that beat South Africa then? James Taylor has retired because of his heart problem since then. We were experimenting with Compton and Hales as openers back then. Remarkably, Ballance is still in contention despite doing nothing for about two years. We we only have half a batting line up - big holes at numbers 2, 3 and 5. We've a dangerous middle/lower order right down to number 9 with Root/Bairsrow/Stokes/Moeen/Woakes all able to do damage if the top order make runs. Even Broad at number 10 can be a handful with the bat on his day. The problem is that when Cook and Root both fail to provide a platform, we're still prone to collapsing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Taylor retiring is a real shame, not just for him obviously. He was really starting to look the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21923 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Taylor retiring is a real shame, not just for him obviously. He was really starting to look the part. i wonder which one of us mis-read ken's question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: i wonder which one of us mis-read ken's question I doubt even he knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, David Kelly said: Stoneman for Jennings (which already happened against West Indies), Vince for Westley and Woakes for Rowland Jones. Maybe Ballance challenging Malan too. Cheers mate. I honestly had to google every one of those players except Gary Ballance to know who they are. Nothing like I knew England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: James Taylor has retired because of his heart problem since then. We were experimenting with Compton and Hales as openers back then. Remarkably, Ballance is still in contention despite doing nothing for about two years. We we only have half a batting line up - big holes at numbers 2, 3 and 5. We've a dangerous middle/lower order right down to number 9 with Root/Bairsrow/Stokes/Moeen/Woakes all able to do damage if the top order make runs. Even Broad at number 10 can be a handful with the bat on his day. The problem is that when Cook and Root both fail to provide a platform, we're still prone to collapsing. James Taylor hey?.. hmm. Hales? Compton? Yup. I see why you aren't so optimistic now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Ken said: Cheers mate. I honestly had to google every one of those players except Gary Ballance to know who they are. Nothing like I knew England. Vince played in the big bash for one of the Sydney teams last time around. Surely you'd heard of Chris Woakes? He's played 18 tests and 66 ODI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35082 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Since Australia last won in England in 2001 ( ) every series bar one has been won by the home team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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